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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding equivalence relations, particularly in the context of specific mathematical problems involving sets and relations. Participants seek clarification on how to demonstrate that certain relations are equivalence relations and how to identify equivalence classes.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about equivalence relations and asks for help in understanding the concept and its application to exam questions.
  • Another participant suggests that the relation defined on the set S = {0, 1, ..., 99} as R = {(a, b) ∈ S × S : a - b is a multiple of 25} is reflexive, symmetric, and transitive, thus an equivalence relation.
  • A participant proposes that the R-equivalence class of a = 73 contains the elements {23, 48, 73, 98}, questioning if this is correct.
  • Further contributions clarify the notation used for equivalence relations, explaining that a ∼ b means "a is related to b" and discussing the equivalence class notation [a].
  • Another participant introduces a function f that can be used to define an equivalence relation based on the remainder when dividing by 25, suggesting this approach could clarify the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of equivalence relations, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific examples and how to apply the concepts to the given problems. Multiple interpretations and approaches to the problems are presented without a consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the notation and the application of the properties of equivalence relations, indicating a need for further clarification on these aspects. The discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the problems.

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Hi guys! First time poster, long time lurker! I can't make any sense out of equivalence relations:confused: These kinda questions crop up every year on the exam and I was wondering if someone could help me understand the concept behind them.

(i)Show that relation R defined on the of the
set S = {0, 1, . . . , 99} as R = {(a, b) € S × S : a − b is a multiple of 25} is an
equivalence relation.
I understand that to show something is an equivalence relation you need to show that they are reflexive, symmetric and transistive but I've no idea how to apply that to a question like this?

(ii) How many elements does the R-equivalence class of
a = 73 have?

Would this be 4? As in 73 itself, 73-25= 48, 73-50=23 and 73+25= 98

(i) Show that relation ~ defi ned on the set X = N x N = {(a, b) : a € N; b € N} as
(a,b)  (c,d) if and only if a + d = c + b
is an equivalence relation. (ii) Write down three elements of the equivalence class of
(12, 7). What do they all have in common?

[€ = an element of]

No clue at all hereExcuse my very humble attempts at answering the questions (Blush) Any help at all would be very much appreciated :)
 
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the rambler said:
Hi guys! First time poster, long time lurker! I can't make any sense out of equivalence relations:confused: These kinda questions crop up every year on the exam and I was wondering if someone could help me understand the concept behind them.

(i)Show that relation R defined on the of the
set S = {0, 1, . . . , 99} as R = {(a, b) € S × S : a − b is a multiple of 25} is an
equivalence relation.
I understand that to show something is an equivalence relation you need to show that they are reflexive, symmetric and transistive but I've no idea how to apply that to a question like this?

(ii) How many elements does the R-equivalence class of
a = 73 have?

Would this be 4? As in 73 itself, 73-25= 48, 73-50=23 and 73+25= 98

(i) Show that relation ~ defi ned on the set X = N x N = {(a, b) : a € N; b € N} as
(a,b)  (c,d) if and only if a + d = c + b
is an equivalence relation. (ii) Write down three elements of the equivalence class of
(12, 7). What do they all have in common?

[€ = an element of]

No clue at all hereExcuse my very humble attempts at answering the questions (Blush) Any help at all would be very much appreciated :)

$a$ is related to $b$ if $a-b$ is a multiple of 25. $a$ is related to $a$ since 0 is a multiple of 25. The relation is symmetric since $a-b$ is a multiple of 25 implies $b-a$ is a multiple of 25. You do transitivity.

For ii) You need to find the set of $b$ in S such that $73-b$ is a multiple of 25.Clearly the set of suitable $b$ is {23, 48,73,98}

You should now have a better idea how to answer the remaining questions
 
Fermat said:
$a$ is related to $b$ if $a-b$ is a multiple of 25.

It seems so simple but this is the bit I couldn't grasp! The notation completely threw me off.. Thanks so much :D
 
There are a couple of different ways to express an equivalence relation on a set $S$, both are used, although one often sees this form:

$a \sim b$ as meaning: "$a$ is related to $b$" (also called "infix symbol notation").

In accordance with this, the equivalence class of $a$, written $[a]$ (usually), is the set:

$\{x \in S: a \sim x\}$.

However, a relation $R$ on $S$, (of which equivalence relations are "special kinds") is just a subset of $S \times S$. So one also sees the notation:

$(a,b) \in R$

instead of $a \sim b$. They mean the same thing.

**********

Here is another way to look at your problem:

For any function $f:A \to B$, we can define $a \sim a'$ (these are two elements of $A$) if $f(a) = f(a')$. It would be well worth your while to prove this indeed does define an equivalence relation on $A$. This is called the equivalence relation induced by the function $f$.

So...what would our function be, in this case?

Well, given any natural number $n$, we can write:

$n = 25q_n + r_n$ for a pair of UNIQUE natural numbers $q_n,r_n$ ($q_n$ is called the QUOTIENT, and $r_n$ the REMAINDER).

Convince yourself that this means we have a function:

$f:\Bbb N \to \{0,1,2,\dots,24\}$ given by:

$f(n) = r_n$.

This is still a function if we restrict our domain to $S = \{0,1,2,\dots,99\} \subseteq \Bbb N$

Finally, can you see that we have: $a \sim b$ (that is: $a - b = 25k$ for some integer $k$) if and only if $r_a = r_b$?
 
Deveno said:
There are a couple of different ways to express an equivalence relation on a set $S$, both are used, although one often sees this form:

$a \sim b$ as meaning: "$a$ is related to $b$" (also called "infix symbol notation").

In accordance with this, the equivalence class of $a$, written $[a]$ (usually), is the set:

$\{x \in S: a \sim x\}$.

However, a relation $R$ on $S$, (of which equivalence relations are "special kinds") is just a subset of $S \times S$. So one also sees the notation:

$(a,b) \in R$

instead of $a \sim b$. They mean the same thing.

**********

Here is another way to look at your problem:

For any function $f:A \to B$, we can define $a \sim a'$ (these are two elements of $A$) if $f(a) = f(a')$. It would be well worth your while to prove this indeed does define an equivalence relation on $A$. This is called the equivalence relation induced by the function $f$.

So...what would our function be, in this case?

Well, given any natural number $n$, we can write:

$n = 25q_n + r_n$ for a pair of UNIQUE natural numbers $q_n,r_n$ ($q_n$ is called the QUOTIENT, and $r_n$ the REMAINDER).

Convince yourself that this means we have a function:

$f:\Bbb N \to \{0,1,2,\dots,24\}$ given by:

$f(n) = r_n$.

This is still a function if we restrict our domain to $S = \{0,1,2,\dots,99\} \subseteq \Bbb N$

Finally, can you see that we have: $a \sim b$ (that is: $a - b = 25k$ for some integer $k$) if and only if $r_a = r_b$?
This makes a lot more sense now! Thank you :)
 

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