God Existence Debate: Agnostic's Perspective

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Originally posted by Iacchus32
No, not even saying that. I'm saying that in order for it to "mean" anything, consciousness has to exist.

That in itself is correct. There is no meaning, purpose or intend without consciouss beings that determine those terms to have meaning.

How could we even conceive of it, let alone talk about it then? So it does suggest some sort of relationship exists.

Right, and neither does a materialist deny that, since materialism states that the material development itself, in both anorganic, organic and human society, has formed the causes of any existing entity. We are therefore related to all of the material reality, and share a development history.
Even with the material world itself, since we know from the BB theory all matter once existed in a very condense form and expanded from there.

If there were no conscious humans to recogize it, so what? It still doesn't mean the external reality doesn't arise from an "internal reality."

What form of "internal" reality are you suggesting then?

Without consciousness, of "any form," it would go unacknowledged. Therefore, it seems to suggest that consciousness which, is an "internal quality," is somehow tied to "external reality."

Yes it is, but the relationship is that matter exists primary and consciousness only secondary, as a development product of matter.

Human consciousness? No, I doubt it. However, it does bring up the possible notion of an omniscient, everpresent Being ...

Omnipresent being I could conceive of, since that could refer to a material reality which is everywhere and exists objectively.

A consciouss being however, is something more difficult cause - part from an existing objective world - consciousness is just something abstract.

Without God perhaps it wouldn't matter, because there would be "no matter?" Hmm ... Did I just repeat myself?

BIG speculation there, but you in fact already gave the answer to that one. Without us consciouss beings, there would be no intend, purpose or will, so that would mean also there would be no God either.

Just matter.