Good enough for American Grad School?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the preparation and competitiveness of an undergraduate student in Canada seeking admission to prestigious American graduate schools in physics. Participants explore various aspects of academic performance, research experience, and the implications of being an international student.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) has published two papers and is working on a third, expressing concern about the competitiveness of their profile for top-tier graduate programs.
  • Some participants suggest that the OP should continue to publish more papers and engage in volunteer tutoring to enhance their application.
  • Concerns are raised about the financial implications of being an international student, with some participants noting the higher tuition costs compared to domestic students.
  • Others clarify that PhD programs often provide funding that covers tuition and living expenses for admitted students, which may differ from undergraduate experiences.
  • The OP expresses a desire to improve their GPA and questions the importance of specific average scores in the admissions process.
  • There is a light-hearted suggestion for the OP to consider schools in Southern California, highlighting the appeal of a milder climate.
  • The OP shares concerns about an upcoming physics course and the quality of the instructor, seeking support from other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the challenges faced by international students and the funding available for PhD programs. The discussion about the OP's competitiveness and the necessary steps to enhance their application remains unresolved, with various opinions presented.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the specific criteria that American universities use to evaluate international applicants, particularly concerning GPA conversions and the weight of research experience. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the financial aspects of graduate education for international students.

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Hi,

I'm in my second year of underrgad in Canada, but I'm trying to look ahead to grad school applications so that I'm adequately prepared. Like many keen undergrads, I really want to go to Harvard/MIT/Caltech/etc for grad school. Of course, actually getting in is a different story.

I'm wondering if anyone could give me some brutally honest feedback on how I'm doing so far in terms of making myself "competitive" or "qualified" for big name grad schools, and if there are any steps I should be taking that I have overlooked. And in particular, I'm curious to know if you think I have some chance of getting in at these schools if I keep doing as I do, or if it's just out of my league.

So far, I've published two papers, one in a Canadian peer-reviewed journal and another in a very small local undergrad journal. I have another paper that's kinda waiting to be written (data analysis has kinda ground to a halt since the school year started), and I'll be submitting it with my advisor to Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta probably mid-2012.

I'm trying to keep my GPA at 4.0 - which at my university, is defined as an 85%+ average. Will American universities distinguish between something like, say, an 87 average opposed to a 92 average, or will they only look at the 4.0-scale conversion?

I'm guessing that the best time to write the GRE is after third year, so I have plenty of time to study for that I think. I'm trying to study extra math and physics outside of my required courses to help prepare.

I also do extracurricular science outreach stuff - I help run this science conference for high schoolers in Canada. I guess in terms of "non-science" stuff I do martial arts.

But yes, the reason that I'm a little worried is that I looked at the entrance stats for Applied Physics for Harvard. They typically accept less than 10% of applicants per year. So, what is it that makes those 10% better than the rest? Should I be pushing to do more research (e.g. trying to publish more during the school year)? Should I do more extracurriculars outside of science, to make myself more "well-rounded"? Should I push for trying to get a mid-90s cumulative average and be at the top of all my classes (i.e. be the very best instead of just top 5-10%)?
 
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keep doing everything you can, and try to publish more papers if possible, you really are competing with the best of the best. . . see if you can do some volunteer tutoring or something else as well as keeping your scores as high as humanly possible
 
Being an international student sucks, you pay like two to three times as much as a US citizen. Stay in Canada
 
Woopy said:
Being an international student sucks, you pay like two to three times as much as a US citizen. Stay in Canada

Really? On the admissions sites to the universities that I looked at, they said that all admitted PhD students receive enough funding to cover tuition/living/etc.
 
maybe it's different for a PhD program, I just know that in general international students pay more
 
Yes, I'm quite sure that you're correct regarding undergrad programs - this is why I stayed in Canada for undergrad and didn't bother applying to any schools in the States.

But yeah, for PhD programs in physics and related subjects, I think it's pretty common for them cover your tuition and offer you TA/RA positions so that you have enough money to live.
 
go to UCLA or somewhere in southern california so you can be my tutor for physics and math. Thanks!
 
Yeah, Southern California does sound pretty tempting. What I wouldn't give to have a campus that isn't covered in snow for a third of the year!
 
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Wow, that looks pretty rough. Well, I guess I could follow Highway's advice - want any tutoring help for next semester? PM me if interested.
 

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