Good or Bad Choices: Examining the Consequences & Morality

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of choices and the criteria that determine whether they are considered good or bad. Participants explore various philosophical perspectives, including the role of consequences, ethics, personal beliefs, and cultural differences in evaluating choices. The conversation touches on concepts of morality, intention, and the influence of societal norms.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the goodness or badness of a choice may depend on the consequences of that choice, raising hypothetical scenarios to illustrate their points.
  • Others argue that ethics and intention play a crucial role, asserting that unintended negative outcomes should not retroactively define a choice as bad.
  • One viewpoint emphasizes that morality is subjective and varies across individuals and cultures, indicating that there is no universal principle of good or bad.
  • Another participant proposes that personal feelings and societal laws are distinct, with morality being a personal concept that may not align with legal definitions.
  • Some express a belief in a universal principle of right and wrong, questioning who establishes these standards and how they relate to concepts like fate and reincarnation.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for a formula or system to account for the varying perceptions of good and bad, despite acknowledging the complexity of such a task.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of good and bad choices, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion. The conversation remains unresolved, reflecting diverse opinions on morality, ethics, and the influence of personal beliefs.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of morality and ethics, the dependence on individual beliefs and cultural backgrounds, and the unresolved philosophical questions regarding the existence of universal principles.

  • #31
Your right it truly doesn't matter whether i believe in god or not. The truth is it truly doesn't matter whether anyone believes in god or not. They only absolute way we can experience the truth is in death.

But if there is no afterlife then truth will never be experienced will it. This, to me, is a very bleak outlook.

We are living conundrums.

Which is why I am glad that we do not decide morality, God did, He is not a conundrum.

The confusion isn't over if something is right or wrong, it's if you are willing to accept the standard.

For example - downloading music, is it right or wrong? Have you been given any right to the song? What is it about you that deserves it for free? Have you ever heard the music industry tell you it doesn't want you to do this and done it anyway? The bottom line is downloading music is stealing - the confusion and debate are people trying to justify stealing. You know this at your gut level everytime you click on a song.
 
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  • #32
Originally posted by Bernardo
What is it about you that deserves it for free?
Do you ever listen to the radio?

I get your point though.

But I wish to just jump in at this point and express my doubts as to there being a universal 'right' and 'wrong' for any given situation.
 
  • #33
If there is a god, in my view god is already dead. perfect can not exist with us. only can exist without any other existence.
 
  • #34
Another god-
Do you ever listen to the radio?

Wow - all this and you're funny too.

But I wish to just jump in at this point and express my doubts as to there being a universal 'right' and 'wrong' for any given situation.

Have you ever heard of the 'Golden Rule'?

Thanos
If there is a god, in my view god is already dead. perfect can not exist with us. only can exist without any other existence.

You are very close to my beliefs on this, But it's flipped over backwards. We can not exsist with Him. God is not dead - we are, dead and lost within our own self fulfilling chaos.

He doesn't exsist on the same level with us any more than you would exsist with a fish in a fish tank. (very poor analogy here). The tank can get messy - it in no way changes your life. The key lies in realizing we are messed up and He is not.
 
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  • #35
Originally posted by Bernardo
Have you ever heard of the 'Golden Rule'?
Of course I have. Heard of it, and quickly realized that notmany people actually want what I want.
 
  • #36
I wouldn't mind living in Austrailia right now it's -25C here.

But you know what I was getting at - It's more than just a good saying, it works well.
 
  • #37
I promise you all...sooon...very soon, i will post my theory on ethics.

PS: It starts with 'I' and ends with 'I', and it describes humanity perfectly :wink:
 
  • #38
Originally posted by Another God
I promise you all...sooon...very soon, i will post my theory on ethics.

PS: It starts with 'I' and ends with 'I', and it describes humanity perfectly :wink:

I can't think of any word that begins with an "I" and ends with an "I". What is it? When will you post this thread?
 
  • #39
I've also been waiting for this post.
 
  • #40
I can think of some words that begin and end with i. But the key is it "describes humanity perfectly."

I thought of a couple but one stuck out in my mind perfectly and that had a latin origin. It is shown first:

a)ignes fatui
b)incubi
c)intagli
d)Iraqi =)
and
e)iwi


The last two I'm not really sure why the would be described as "humanity" and "perfectly" but they both ended with 'i'. That's all I got. Anyone else think that these words could fall under an insubordiante category, perhaps or not likely of Another God's theory?
 
  • #41
I'm sorry, I'm not going to post it until I am happy that I have written it well. It's taking a long time, so don't hold your breath. It contains so many interwoven ideas that it is had to write a flowing presentation of it... You know how you need to say one thing, but in order to say that, you need to have already presented another idea, but you couldn't possibly have said that idea before having cleared up another idea etc...
 
  • #42
I believe that every choice that is made has the potential to have long-term consequences. Where you dine for the evening may affect your future. It may lead you to meet your soul mate which in turn will cause a wonderful family to exist in the future. I am not saying every choice you make has this effect, I am saying it has the potential to do so.
 

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