GR/StatMech/QM foundations, epistemic views only please

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Discussion Overview

This thread explores recent research and thoughts on the foundations and interpretations of General Relativity (GR), Statistical Mechanics (StatMech), and Quantum Mechanics (QM), focusing specifically on epistemic views. Participants discuss the implications of these views on the understanding of reality and mathematical models in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the 4D Minkowski space of special relativity is a mathematical tool rather than a representation of reality, emphasizing its utility in organizing measurements and experiences.
  • Others argue that the curved 4D block universe of General Relativity should also be viewed as a mathematical construct, questioning the necessity of spacetime's existence.
  • A participant mentions Jacobson's work connecting GR and thermodynamics, proposing that the dynamics of geometry and thermodynamics are fundamentally related, though the nature of this relationship remains unclear.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of CBism and QBism, with some participants noting that while certain models assume a form of reality, others, like QBism, challenge the notion of an overarching reality.
  • Recent developments in the thermodynamics of the modular Hamiltonian and its relation to Rovelli's thermal time are highlighted, suggesting a connection to background independence in physics.
  • One participant emphasizes that adopting an epistemic view does not imply denying a common reality shared by all observers, reiterating the distinction between mathematical descriptions and the reality they aim to represent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of reality in relation to mathematical models, with some asserting the existence of a common reality and others challenging this notion. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the epistemic versus ontic interpretations of physical theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves complex technical definitions and assumptions, particularly regarding the nature of reality as defined in various models. There are unresolved questions about the implications of these definitions on the interpretations of quantum mechanics and the foundational theories discussed.

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atyy said:
I don't think so. In dBB the wave function is ontic, but because dBB is probabilistic it can be subjective (Ballentine's diagram is missing a line from ontic to subjective).
You should email Ballentine and let him know. :biggrin:
 

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