Grad School Decisions for the Mediocre

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The discussion centers around the challenges and considerations of applying to graduate schools in physics, particularly for a candidate who perceives their qualifications as mediocre. Participants explore potential safety schools, the impact of undergraduate institution rankings, and the importance of research experience and standardized test scores.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the ranking of the undergraduate institution can serve as a guideline for determining suitable graduate schools, recommending to consider schools ranked close to the undergraduate institution and down about 50 places.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the specific subfields of physics the applicant is interested in, indicating that this should influence the choice of schools more than general rankings.
  • There is a discussion about the potential benefits of retaking the PGRE to improve scores, with some participants acknowledging the applicant's concerns about timing and the implications of waiting another year.
  • Several participants inquire about the existence of official ranking systems for graduate programs, with links provided to various ranking methodologies, though the reliability and authority of these rankings are questioned.
  • One participant shares their current application status, indicating they have applied to four schools and plan to apply to at least two more, suggesting a willingness to keep the community updated on their progress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the importance of rankings and the applicant's qualifications, with no consensus reached on the best approach to selecting graduate schools or the impact of retaking the PGRE.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the applicant's specific subfield interests and the varying interpretations of ranking systems, which may not reflect the quality of programs accurately.

jk_er_gamma
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Hello Forumgoers,

I know there are probably a million 'what are my chances?' posts on here, so I apologize if I'm missing an obvious source, I'm new to the forum.
I am applying to grad schools, and understand that I have no chance at top schools, but I was wondering if anyone could name safety schools or schools that are in my range to apply to (mostly within the U.S., but I will listen to other suggestions) given these stats:

B.S. Physics and Math (double major)
PGRE 710 (51%ile)
GRE verbal (94%ile), quant(89%ile), writing(98%ile)
GPA: 3.5

I have no REUs or internships, but 6 semesters experience doing research at my undergrad, which has ~no physics reputation. The research is experimental and not in a field I am looking to apply for, unless I have to.

My recommendations will most likely be decent, including physics and math professors. A potentially strong point is that I have some advanced math electives in vector and tensor calculus, differential equations, and graduate abstract algebra. Also club officerships if that counts.
I would say try not to be too harsh, but I get it ;/

Also, if it seems harsh that I am calling this mediocre, don't worry, I don't take it as an extremely accurate evaluation of ability or intellect, in my case I was a bit caught up in the moment when taking classes and didn't worry about competing for REUs, the PGRE I had time to take once with a solid 1-2 weeks of study. I just know that physics is not like high school where a decent record is ahead of most.

Thanks,
JK
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Where is your undergrad institution ranked nationally in physics? That's a decent approximation for the top end grad school you're likely to get admitted to. I'd say you might reasonably consider schools ranked close to yours and then down about 50 places in the national rankings. If time permits, take the PGRE again and see what you can do to get a publication in physics or math.
 
What subfields of physics are you interested in? That should guide your application a little more that a number that someone else places on a school using criteria that may or may not be applicable to you.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
Where is your undergrad institution ranked nationally in physics?
I don't think it is significantly ranked, probably not Top 50. Is there an official system of rankings?
Dr. Courtney said:
If time permits, take the PGRE again
Yeah, I think I could do better, but I have already waited until after graduation to take it, so waiting another year might be a bit iffy.
 
jk_er_gamma said:
Is there an official system of rankings?

Here is one. Not necessarily official what ever that means but they give their methodology for their rating so you can judge their criteria for yourself. 263 colleges and universities ranked.

https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/physical-sciences/physics/rankings/top-ranked/p27.html
 
gleem said:
Here is one. Not necessarily official what ever that means
edit: on closer examination, it is ranked, but not by quality. For most focused ~600/700 (no surprise, it was a small program) and for highest paid ~300/540.
The math major is ranked for quality, at ~270/475.
 
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jk_er_gamma said:
Is there an official system of rankings?
gleem said:
Here is one. Not necessarily official
Who would have the authority to make it "official"? :oldwink:
 
jtbell said:
Who would have the authority to make it "official"?
doesn't need to be official, but saying that got the desired response.
 
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I have currently applied to 4 schools. There are at least 2 more in the plans. I will update with how it turns out.
 

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