Graduating in Five Years and Admissions

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The discussion revolves around a fourth-year student's dilemma regarding whether to graduate with a degree in astrophysics or to extend their studies for an additional quarter to obtain a degree in physics. The student is concerned about the implications of their choice on graduate school admissions, particularly in physics programs, and seeks advice on how to navigate their situation between graduation and applying for graduate school.

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Main Points Raised

  • The student has a strong academic record and is considering the impact of their major on graduate school applications.
  • Some participants suggest that taking an extra year to graduate is acceptable and could be beneficial for further coursework and research opportunities.
  • There is a belief among some participants that graduate programs do not strictly require applicants to be continuing students, especially if they are engaged in research after graduation.
  • It is noted that many physics graduate programs accept degrees in related fields, such as astrophysics, and that the absence of a formal thermodynamics course may be addressed in the student's personal statement.
  • The student expresses frustration with their school's strict policies regarding course units, which may limit their ability to take additional classes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that extending studies for an additional quarter can be beneficial, but there is no consensus on the necessity of being a continuing student for graduate school applications. The discussion includes differing opinions on the implications of the astrophysics degree for physics graduate admissions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding institutional policies on graduate school admissions and the interpretation of degree requirements across different programs.

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Hello, I am a fourth year student at a decent public school. My GPA is 3.986, I haven't taken the GRE yet but I got 99th percentile on my SATs, and I have done very well on practice tests, so I am hoping to have very high scores. I also did an REU last summer and have been doing research with a professsor for two quarters now.

My question is this: I decided on the physics major late, so that I am behind the traditional coursework. I am torn between two options: I can graduate in the spring as I am supposed to with a degree in astrophysics, or I can stay an extra quarter to get a degree in physics.

My problem is that, although my interest is primarily in astrophysics, I don't want to shut the door on the option of physics graduate school. I am curious as to how the astrophysics major would be perceived for physics admissions. The coursework between the two is very similar except for one thing: I wouldn't have taken a formal thermodynamics course (astrophysics has a similar course that covers much of the material, but is not the same).

Another problem is that I intend to apply for graduate school in Fall 2008. So, I am not sure what to do with myself in between graduating and going to graduate school. It seems that most programs require you to be a continuing student, so that I would not be eligible. But I am not sure how realistic it is to get a real job, since I can only commit to the short time period. Any suggestions about this? Sorry again for the long question, I appreciate the help.
 
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There's nothing wrong with taken an extra year to graduate. No schools I'm familiar with would look down on you for doing so. Use it as an opportunity to take some graduate and extra classes. Maybe even keep working on your research and submit it for publication before you apply.
 
I also don't know of any schools that "require" you to be a continuing student (that seems dumb in my humble opinion )... especially if you continue working in the lab after graduation. I agree with Jacob in that getting out a publication on your research would be impressive... and you could do that as a continuing student or as a hired laboratory researcher if your faculty mentor keeps you on.

Many physics graduate programs' applications state that you should have a degree in physics OR a RELATED field (and astro is certainly that :biggrin: ) If you decide to apply to a physics, versus astrophysics program, you could point out in your personal statement that the only course missing for a degree in physics is a thermo course. Most physics graduate programs require statistical dynamics versions of thermo in their comps courses anyways, so you'd be learning some of the more interesting (non-intro-level) thermo anyways in required grad classes if you went the phtysics route. Good luck!
 
Alright, excellent, thank you both. I think I've pretty much decided then too stick around the extra quarter. Hopefully, I can take the opportunity to take some more in-depth courses or some graduate courses that might interest me. But, unfortunately, I go to a public school that is very very strict about units and will not allow students to take extra classes under pretty much any circumstance (which is unbelievably annoying). Anyway, thank you very much for the advice, the forums have been helpful.
 

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