Graph G with n vertices, with connectivity

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a graph G with n vertices and its connectivity, specifically focusing on the relationship between the graph's connectivity, diameter, and the number of vertices. Participants explore methods to prove the inequality k(diam(G)-1)+2 ≤ n, where k is the connectivity and diam(G) is the diameter of the graph.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using induction on k to prove the inequality, starting with the base case of k=1 and reasoning about the implications of removing a vertex from a 1-connected graph.
  • Another participant proposes finding an upper bound for diam(G) given n and k, suggesting that diam(G) ≤ 1+(n-2)/k.
  • A later reply references Menger's theorem, stating that a k-connected graph has k vertex-disjoint paths between any two vertices, which leads to a consideration of how many vertices can be used to form these paths.
  • Participants express appreciation for insights gained from the discussion, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the relationship between connectivity and graph structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof of the inequality or the upper bound for diam(G). Multiple approaches and hypotheses are presented, indicating ongoing exploration and debate.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the definitions of connectivity and diameter are present but not explicitly stated. The discussion includes various mathematical steps that remain unresolved, particularly in the inductive proof approach.

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I have a graph G with n vertices, with connectivity [tex]\kappa(G)=k[/tex] i.e its k- connected, I need to show that
[tex]k(diam(G)-1)+2 \le n[/tex]

where diam (G) is defined as the maximal number of edges between two vertices in G (the maximum of them all), in other words its diameter.

Any hints?
even references for a proof will be terrific.
 
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I thought even of showing it by induction on k (I forgot to say that k is bigger or equals 1).
For k=1, we need to show that [tex]diam G +1 \le n[/tex], which is obvious because if G is 1-connected then if we take out one vertex then it must be disconnected, which means that to pass from one vertex to another you need to cross thruogh at most n-1 vertices which means that [tex]diam G \le n-1[/tex].

Now for the inductive proof, assume it's correct for k-1 and prove for k.
If we look at graph G with connectivty k, then if we remove from it a vertex and its edges we still get a graph G', but this time with connectivy k-1, and [tex]diam(G') \le diam(G)[/tex], and from the inductive hypothesis:
[tex](k-1)(diam(G')-1) +2 \le n-1[/tex]
I don't see how from this to show that it's correct for k.
Anyone?
 


I only had some brief exposure to graphs in my CS algorithms class. Excuse me if I get in the way...

Is it possible to come up with an upper bound for diam(G) given n and k? After all, it is obvious from the given equation that diam(G) <= 1+(n-2)/k.

Please do reply with the answer if you manage to find it (I'm interested in knowing)
 


Well thank you for enlightening me.

We know from Menger's theorem that a graph G is k-connected (vertex wise) iff for every two vertices in G they have k vertex-disjoint paths.

so between any two vertices in a graph, G we have another n-2 vertices from which to choose that will make k vertex-disjoint paths, so these paths in total will include at most (n-2)/k vertices, and because the maximal length between any two vertices is at most the number of vertices between them plus one, we get the conclusion.

Thanks, it's amazing how a subtelty can change the way you see something.
 


MathematicalPhysicist said:
Well thank you for enlightening me.

We know from Menger's theorem that a graph G is k-connected (vertex wise) iff for every two vertices in G they have k vertex-disjoint paths.

so between any two vertices in a graph, G we have another n-2 vertices from which to choose that will make k vertex-disjoint paths, so these paths in total will include at most (n-2)/k vertices, and because the maximal length between any two vertices is at most the number of vertices between them plus one, we get the conclusion.

Thanks, it's amazing how a subtelty can change the way you see something.

Yay great!
 

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