Gravimetric analysis of phosphorous

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The discussion revolves around the gravimetric analysis of phosphorus, specifically focusing on the calculation of percent yield of magnesium ammonium phosphate hexahydrate (MgNH4PO4·6H2O) obtained from a plant food sample. Participants explore the theoretical versus actual yield in the context of a laboratory experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experiment, detailing the precipitation of MgNH4PO4·6H2O and the need to calculate the percent yield using data from a plant food label.
  • Another participant points out that gravimetric analysis typically assumes a percent yield of 100% and is used to determine the amount of analyte in a sample, questioning the need for percent yield calculation.
  • A participant calculates the amount of phosphorus and moles of phosphate from the precipitate but expresses confusion about obtaining the theoretical weight of the precipitate.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the amount of phosphorus based on the mass of the sample and its P2O5 content, cautioning against using the precipitated salt's amount for yield calculations.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for gaining clarity on the topic after the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of calculating percent yield in this context, with differing views on the methodology and purpose of gravimetric analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calculation of theoretical yield.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the purpose of gravimetric analysis, the assumptions made in calculations, and the definitions of yield in this experimental context.

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I just finished an experiment where I precipitated 2.30 g of MgNH4PO4 6H20.

The gravimetric analysis of phosphorous in this experiment is based on the
precipitation of phosphorous as MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O from a solution that contains the
monohydrogen phosphate ion (HPO42- ), ammonium ions, and magnesium ions. The
balanced reaction is:
5 H2O + HPO42- + NH41+ + Mg2+ + OH1- =====> MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O I need to calculate percent yield of MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O obtained in my experiment using 10-52-10 plant food label as a guide to determine the theoretical yield of MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O.

So, the plant food contains:
10% N
52% P2O5
10% MgO

In my experiment I used 1.2 grams of 10-52-10 plant food ( + 4 grams MgSO4 7H2O) and obtained 2.30 g of MgNH4PO4 6H20
I know that % yield = actual yield/ theoretical yield x 100%
But, how do I calculate actual yield from the data I have?

So far I calculated:
air dry weight of MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O = 2.30 g
Grams of phosphorusin MgNH4PO4 6H20 = 0.290g
%P in plant food = 24.16
% P2O5 in equivalent to %P above = 55.45
% p2O5 in 10-52-10 plant food = 52

When do I do next?? Any help is greatly appreciated?
 
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Something is strange here - gravimetric analysis is not to calculate percent yield - it is based on the assumption that percent yield is exactly 100%, and it is done to check what is the amount of analyte in the sample.

But if you really need it... How many moles of P in the sample? How many moles of phosphate should be precipitated if all phosphorus was converted to phosphoric acid? What should be the mass of the precipitate?

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So, the amount of phosphorus:
0.290 g P = 0.00936 moles P
Amount of phosphate --> from the reaction above...
(2.30 g MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O)(1 mol/ 245.45 g) (1 mol PO4 2-/ 1 mol MgNH4PO4 . 6H2O) = 0.00957 moles

I still do not understand how to obtain theoretical weight of precipitate?

No matter how I calculate the mass of precipitate I obtain 2.30 g, which is the actual yield I obtained in my experiment...
 
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You should calculate amount of phosphorus in the sample from its mass and the fact it contains 52% by mass P2O5, if you calculate it from the amount of the precipitated salt and use it to calculate yield, you will just prove that 1=1.

If you have one atom of phosphorus, how many molecules of MgNH4PO4 can you make? From dozen atoms? From a mole?
 
THANK YOU! I finnally got it!
 

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