Gravitation (MTW) Misner Thorne Wheeler - 50 years (RIP) C.W.Misner

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The discussion revolves around the 50-year anniversary of the book "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler (MTW), reflecting on its impact, personal experiences with the text, and related events honoring the authors. Participants share anecdotes about their interactions with the book and its content, including concepts like geons and the equivalence principle.

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  • Some participants express nostalgia for their first encounters with the MTW book, highlighting its influence on their understanding of physics and mathematics.
  • One participant mentions the concept of geons, describing them as self-gravitating bundles of light, and speculates on their potential existence in nature.
  • Several participants humorously comment on the physical presence of the book, with one noting that it "bends spacetime" on their bookshelf.
  • There are discussions about the readability of the Kindle version of the book, with concerns raised about the clarity of equations and diagrams on the device.
  • One participant recalls their disappointment with the new edition of the book, stating that it did not update the text but only added a preface by Professor Thorne.
  • Another participant shares their struggle with mastering differential forms during their studies, contrasting their past challenges with their current understanding through modern approaches.

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The discussion reflects a mix of personal experiences and opinions, with no clear consensus on the readability of the Kindle version or the updates in the new edition of the book. Participants share differing views on the impact of MTW and its concepts without resolving these differences.

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Some participants express limitations in their understanding of certain concepts due to their educational backgrounds or the format of the book, indicating that the discussion is influenced by individual experiences and interpretations.

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The International Society on General Relativity and Gravitation (http://www.isgrg.org/)
celebrates the 50-year anniversary of Gravitation by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler.
Misner died in 2023... I included some associated links.
From the International Society on General Relativity and Gravitation (http://www.isgrg.org/)

there were some 50-year anniversary celebrations and a 100th birthday celebration:
This post is primarily about items related to "Gravitation" by Misner Thorne Wheeler.
 
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Yes, the book continues to bend spacetime on my bookshelf.
 
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bob012345 said:
Yes, the book continues to bend spacetime on my bookshelf.
I got tired of that and gave myself New Year's present, the Kindle version.
 
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Hill said:
I got tired of that and gave myself New Year's present, the Kindle version.
Either way, reading it is like getting sucked into a black hole.
 
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bob012345 said:
Either way, reading it is like getting sucked into a black hole.
Judging by the time it takes to get to the singularity, it is really super-supermassive black hole.
 
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bob012345 said:
Yes, the book continues to bend spacetime on my bookshelf.
I bought my copy while still in college, 1978 or thereabouts. My roommate looked at it sitting on the table, picked it up, set it down again, then said "How convenient - all the theory and also a practical demonstration".
 
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The joke I heard was that MTW shows the violation of the equivalence principle - it falls faster than everything else.
 
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Being late to the party here, my first experience with MTW was also in college during an independent study where my professor got a preprint of the book. I think it was in 1973 spring term. I was excited and mesmerized by the pictures of differential geometry.

One thing that fascinated me was the concept of geons—self-gravitating bundles of light that could form a donut-shaped structure orbiting in a region of empty space and held together by its own gravitational field. Later, I learned that geons could also be gravitational waves with a similar configuration. Perhaps, one day, these will be found in nature too.

Of course, when it was officially released in September 1973, I had to get my own copy, which I still have. When the new edition was released, I acquired that as well and gave the somewhat moldy old one to my brother.

My only disappointment with the new edition was that it didn't update the text; instead, it added a preface by Professor Thorne explaining the chapters, which were now out of date.

Sadly, I was never able to master differential forms at the time, being an overworked undergrad commuter student (with courses and a 20-hour-per-week part-time job). Still, now in my twilight years, I have a better understanding through the more modern geometric calculus approach of Hestenes.
 
Hill said:
I got tired of that and gave myself New Year's present, the Kindle version.

Can you really read the formulae and the diagrams on the Kindle version? I would think it'd be tough to get much out of it :(.
 
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I don't know about the MTW book on a Kindle, but I have a graduate math book that renders terribly on a Kindle, as all equations and text are unzoomable via pinching.

Equations are rendered as images, not from LaTeX. However, Kindle will zoom when you click on the equations to display them separately from the text but that's about it.
 

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