Gravitational Potential due to spherical shell

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The discussion revolves around determining the gravitational potential both inside and outside a spherical shell with specified inner and outer radii. The problem involves understanding the gravitational field in different regions of the shell and how to apply integration to find the potential.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the gravitational field in three distinct regions of the shell and discuss the limits of integration for calculating gravitational potential. There are attempts to clarify the expression for enclosed mass in each region and how it relates to the integration process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the relationship between gravitational field and potential, suggesting the use of a reference point for integration. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct limits of integration and the implications of the spherical symmetry in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity regarding the definitions and expressions for enclosed mass in each region, as well as the implications of using different variables in the equations. There is a recognition of the potential confusion surrounding the integration limits and the reference point for gravitational potential.

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Homework Statement


What is the gravitational potential both inside and outside a spherical shell of inner radius b and outer radius a?

Homework Equations


φ = ∫g⋅da = -4πGMencl
g = d∅/dr in the r hat direction

The Attempt at a Solution


I can get as far as getting the gravitational field for the three parts of the shell but I am not really sure how to determine the limits of integration in order to get the potentials

for (R > a) g*4πR2= -4πG*(4/3*π(a3-b3)*ρ)
then ∅ = ∫[G*(4/3*π(a3-b3)*ρ)]/R2 dr

for (b< R < a) g*4πR2= -4πG*(4/3*π(R3-b3)*ρ)
g = 4/3*πρG*(b3/R2 - R)
∅ = ∫-[4/3*πρG*(b3/R2 - R)] dr

for (R < b) g = 0 because there is no enclosed mass
and ∅ = constant the constant being determined from the integration limits
 
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Make 3 drawings, one for each of the three regions. Note that the left side of the equation is always 4πr2g where r is the radius of the sphere that encloses whatever mass. What about the right side? What is an expression for Mencl in each of the 3 regions? That should give you a clue about the limits of integration.
 
kuruman said:
Make 3 drawings, one for each of the three regions. Note that the left side of the equation is always 4πr2g where r is the radius of the sphere that encloses whatever mass. What about the right side? What is an expression for Mencl in each of the 3 regions? That should give you a clue about the limits of integration.
The expressions for the enclosed mass in each region is in my original post. So I am still not sure how to determine the limits of integration
 
OK, I now see what you mean by limits of integration. You got Mencl correctly. The problem is with the first equation, φ = ∫g⋅da. I would use r instead of a because a is defined here. The relation between g and φ in spherical symmetry is ##g = -\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial r}## so that ##\phi(r) = - \int_{ref}^r g(r) ~dr##. Usually, the lower limit of integration (the reference of potential) is infinity. I hope this clarifies what you need to do.
 

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