Gravitational wave signal duration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the duration of the gravitational wave signal detected by LIGO, specifically addressing the characteristics of the signal, including its frequency changes, redshift effects, and the reasons for its approximately 0.25-second duration. The scope includes theoretical aspects of gravitational waves and their detection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the constancy of the gravitational wave frequency throughout the black hole merger and its redshift during travel to LIGO.
  • Another participant states that the frequency of the gravitational wave increases as the black holes approach each other, suggesting that the signal starts when the waves become detectable and ends upon merging.
  • A later reply confirms that the frequency of the gravitational wave indeed increases during the detected 0.25-second duration.
  • Some participants clarify that the energy of the gravitational wave increases rapidly due to stronger gravity as the black holes get closer, and they emphasize that this phenomenon is not quantum in nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the frequency of the gravitational wave increases during the signal's duration and that it is redshifted. However, there is some contention regarding the terminology used, particularly the reference to quantum aspects.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific mechanisms of frequency change and redshift effects, as well as the implications of the gravitational wave's energy increase.

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I have a question about why the duration of the gravitational wave signal detected by LIGO was 0.25 seconds or so. I think I understand correctly that as the two binary black holes rotate around each other and move closer together there is a loss of angular momentum that is converted to gravitational waves of a certain frequency. The generation of gravitational waves would then end upon the merging of the two black holes. My questions are: is the frequency of the gravitation wave constant throughout the entire history of the black hole merger? Is this frequency red-shifted in the gravitational wave’s journey from its source to the LIGO instrument due to the expansion of the universe? Why is the duration of the signal 0.25 seconds?
 
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The frequency rapidly increased as the objects moved closer together. It would be redshifted. It started once the objects got close enough that their gravitational waves became sufficiently energetic to be detectable at this distance, and stopped once the objects merged and settled into a single spinning object.

For more information and links to other sources, see this Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves
 
Jonathan Scott said:
The frequency rapidly increased as the objects moved closer together. It would be redshifted. It started once the objects got close enough that their gravitational waves became sufficiently energetic to be detectable at this distance, and stopped once the objects merged and settled into a single spinning object.

For more information and links to other sources, see this Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves
So the quantum wave frequency over the duration of the pulse detected by LIGO increase over its 0.25 duration?
Jonathan Scott said:
The frequency rapidly increased as the objects moved closer together. It would be redshifted. It started once the objects got close enough that their gravitational waves became sufficiently energetic to be detectable at this distance, and stopped once the objects merged and settled into a single spinning object.

For more information and links to other sources, see this Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves
So the frequency of the gravitational wave increases during the approximately 0.25 second duration of the signal being detected by LIGO?
 
jordankonisky said:
So the quantum wave frequency over the duration of the pulse detected by LIGO increase over its 0.25 duration?
There's nothing quantum about it. The energy of a gravitational wave increases rapidly as the objects get closer (so the gravity is stronger and the rate of change is much faster).

jordankonisky said:
So the frequency of the gravitational wave increases during the approximately 0.25 second duration of the signal being detected by LIGO?
Yes, I just said that. You can see a graph of the wave as observed at each detector and the corresponding theoretical prediction in the Wikipedia entry.
 
Jonathan Scott said:
There's nothing quantum about it. The energy of a gravitational wave increases rapidly as the objects get closer (so the gravity is stronger and the rate of change is much faster).Yes, I just said that. You can see a graph of the wave as observed at each detector and the corresponding theoretical prediction in the Wikipedia entry.
Got it. I very much appreciate your responses to my questions.
 

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