Gravitational Waves: Origin & Mass Impact

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The discussion centers on the origin of gravitational waves and the implications of mass on their generation. Participants explore theoretical aspects, potential detection, and the relationship between kinetic energy and wave emission, as well as the speculative nature of gravitational waves within the context of physics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational waves originate similarly to electromagnetic waves, where acceleration of mass leads to wave emission, with energy derived from kinetic energy.
  • Others question the dependence of kinetic energy on the reference frame, suggesting that energy for wave emission may come from the reduced kinetic energy of a decelerated body relative to the observer's frame.
  • A participant raises concerns about whether gravitational waves are speculative, noting that while they are predicted by general relativity, their detection has not been conclusively established.
  • Another participant mentions that gravitational waves are predicted by string theory, referencing a massless particle with spin=2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the speculative nature of gravitational waves and their detection, indicating that there is no consensus on whether they are conclusively established or still considered speculative.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of kinetic energy's dependence on reference frames and the implications for energy sources in wave emission, which remains unresolved.

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How do gravitational waves originate?
Does the mass of the body, from where they are originating,decrease?
 
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Gravitational waves originate in much the same way as electromagnetic waves do. If you accelerate an electric charge, like an electron, it will produce an electromagnetic wave. The energy for this wave comes from the kinetic energy of the electron.

In the same way, if you accelerate a mass, it will emit a gravitational wave, and the energy for that wave will come from the masses kinetic energy.
In fact, since the above electron also has a mass, it will emit gravitational waves as well as electromagnetic ones. Gravitational waves however are very very weak and the electromagnetic waves account for the vast majority of the lost kinetic energy.
 
Janus said:
Gravitational waves originate in much the same way as electromagnetic waves do. If you accelerate an electric charge, like an electron, it will produce an electromagnetic wave. The energy for this wave comes from the kinetic energy of the electron.

In the same way, if you accelerate a mass, it will emit a gravitational wave, and the energy for that wave will come from the masses kinetic energy.
In fact, since the above electron also has a mass, it will emit gravitational waves as well as electromagnetic ones. Gravitational waves however are very very weak and the electromagnetic waves account for the vast majority of the lost kinetic energy.

isn't the kinetic energy something that is dependent upon reference frame? if so, do we mean that the energy for the gravitational or E&M wave comes from the reduced kinetic energy of the decellerated body (with mass and charge) with respect to the frame of reference of the observer measuring the wave? but then, what about if (in my frame of reference) the body is accelerated to a higher speed? doesn't it still emit a gravitational (or EM) wave due to that acceleration? where does the energy come from for both the wave and for the increased kinetic energy of the body?
 
Are gravitational waves speculative rather than something taken as fact?
 
Voltage said:
Are gravitational waves speculative rather than something taken as fact?
In physics there is no difference :rolleyes:

I don't think they have been conclusively detected yet but there are a number of new gravitational wave detectors coming on line.
They are predicted by GR and don't cause any real problems in any other theory so are quite likely to be 'real'.
 
I believe string theory also predicts their occurrence, a massless particle with spin=2 spoken of in this article
 

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