Gravity Measured with Milligram masses

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The discussion centers around an experiment measuring gravity using milligram masses, particularly focusing on the implications of this measurement for understanding gravity in the context of quantum mechanics. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental methods, and the potential for probing quantum aspects of gravity.

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  • Some participants highlight that the experiment utilizes quantum effects to control the test mass for measuring Newtonian gravity, rather than probing quantum aspects of gravity itself.
  • One participant argues against the notion that gravity experiments must be large, referencing the scale invariance of the Cavendish experiment and discussing how scaling affects measurements of gravitational force.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of measuring gravity at small masses and the potential to explore gravitational phenomena from quantum states, suggesting that this could lead to insights into the relationship between quantum mechanics and general relativity.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of miniaturizing experimental components while maintaining measurement precision, indicating that non-ideal factors may limit the ability to conduct smaller-scale experiments.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the experiment for understanding quantum gravity. While some agree on the significance of the experiment, there is no consensus on whether it directly probes quantum aspects of gravity or merely measures classical gravitational effects using quantum techniques.

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The discussion acknowledges limitations related to the precision of measurements at small scales and the challenges posed by non-ideal experimental components, which may affect the outcomes of gravity measurements.

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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adk2949

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Gravity differs from all other known fundamental forces because it is best described as a curvature of space-time. For that reason, it remains resistant to unifications with quantum theory. Gravitational interaction is fundamentally weak and becomes prominent only at macroscopic scales. This means, we do not know what happens to gravity in the microscopic regime where quantum effects dominate and whether quantum coherent effects of gravity become apparent. Levitated mechanical systems of mesoscopic size offer a probe of gravity, while still allowing quantum control over their motional state. This regime opens the possibility of table-top testing of quantum superposition and entanglement in gravitating systems. Here, we show gravitational coupling between a levitated submillimeter-scale magnetic particle inside a type I superconducting trap and kilogram source masses, placed approximately half a meter away. Our results extend gravity measurements to low gravitational forces of attonewton and underline the importance of levitated mechanical sensors.
 
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This is a very interesting experiment, but just to be clear, it is not actually probing any quantum aspects of gravity itself. It is using quantum effects to control the test mass so that its response to an ordinary Newtonian gravity field from a source mass in the laboratory can be accurately measured.
 
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One pernicious wrong idea is that gravity experiments need to be big. The Cavendish experiment is scale invariant.

If I double the length scale, the masses go up by 8, so the force goes up by 16 and the torque goes up by 32. The moment of inertia also goes up by 32 , so the angular acceleration is constant.

This is a good chunk of the reason its hard to do better measuring G.

The real limitation in "going small" is making all the non-ideal parts of the experiment - wires and screws and attachments and whatnot - smaller.
 
jedishrfu said:

Indeed important experiment.

"However, gravity has never been tested for small masses and on the level of the Planck mass. Measurements of gravity from classical sources in laboratory table-top settings is contrasted by an increasing interest to study gravitational phenomena originating from quantum states of source masses, for example, in the form of the gravitational field generated by a quantum superposition state (1519). The effort ultimately aims at directly probing the interplay between quantum mechanics and GR in table-top experiments. Because quantum coherence is easily lost for increasing system size, it is important to isolate gravity as a coupling force for as small objects as possible, which in turn means to measure gravitational forces and interactions extremely precisely"

"At the same time, massive quantum sensors are especially suited for tests in a regime with appreciable gravitational influences, which is favorable in probing fundamental decoherence mechanisms related to gravity (20, 21) or proposed physical models of the wave function collapse (2224) featuring the system mass explicitly, such as the continuous spontaneous localization model (25) and the Diósi-Penrose model of gravitationally induced collapse (2628)."
 

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