Green's function for Sturm-Louiville ODE

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The discussion revolves around the construction of the Green's function for a Sturm-Liouville ordinary differential equation (ODE) given specific boundary conditions. The participants explore the implications of the associated Legendre polynomials as solutions and the challenges posed by the boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the ODE $$(p(x)y')' + q(x)y = 0$$ with specific functions for ##p(x)## and ##q(x)##, and notes the boundary conditions that need to be satisfied.
  • The same participant identifies the associated Legendre ODE and mentions two solutions, ##y_1 = P_1^1## and ##y_2 = Q_1^1##, highlighting that while ##y_1## satisfies the boundary condition, ##y_2(b) = \infty## creates confusion regarding the existence of the Green's function.
  • Another participant suggests that if a solution bounded at 1 is desired, the Green's function must take the form of scalar multiples of ##P_1^1##, but notes that certain conditions must be satisfied which may not be possible under the given constraints.
  • A later reply questions whether a Green's function exists for the problem, indicating uncertainty about the feasibility of constructing one given the identified issues.
  • Another participant confirms that a Green's function does not exist for this problem and elaborates on the process of solving the non-homogeneous boundary value problem, discussing the need to first solve an eigenvalue problem and the implications for constructing a particular solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the construction of a Green's function is problematic due to the boundary conditions and the behavior of the solutions. However, there is no consensus on the implications of this for the overall problem, as some participants explore potential methods while others assert the non-existence of the Green's function.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the boundary conditions and the behavior of the solutions, particularly the unbounded nature of ##y_2(b)## and the conditions required for the Green's function to be continuous at ##x_0##.

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Hi PF!

Given the following ODE $$(p(x)y')' + q(x)y = 0$$ where ##p(x) = 1-x^2## and ##q(x) = 2-1/(1-x^2)## subject to $$y'(a) + \sec(a)\tan(a)y(a) = 0$$ and $$|y(b)| < \infty,$$ where ##a = \sqrt{1-\cos^2\alpha} : \alpha \in (0,\pi)## and ##b = 1##, what is the Green's function?

This is the associated Legendre ODE, which admits two linearly independent solutions: $$y_1 = P_1^1, \,\,\, y_1 = Q_1^1$$ where ##P_1^1## and ##Q_1^1## are associated Legendre polynomials first and second kind respectively. Things now get a little murky: notice ##y_1## automatically satisfies ##y_1'(a) + \sec(a)\tan(a)y_1(a) = 0##, but ##y_2(b) = \infty##. If ##y_2(b)## was bounded, the Green's function would be very simple to calculate. But it's not bounded, so I'm confused how to proceed?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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If you want a solution bounded at 1, then you are limited to scalar multiples of P_1^1: <br /> G(x;x_0) = \begin{cases}<br /> AP_1^1(x) &amp; x \leq x_0 \\<br /> BP_1^1(x) &amp; x &gt; x_0\end{cases}. The conditions you need to satisfy are <br /> \begin{split}<br /> (A - B)P_1^1(x_0) &amp;= 0 \\<br /> (A - B){P_1^1}&#039;(x_0) &amp;= \frac{1}{p(x_0)}\end{split} which cannot be done unless P_1^1(x_0) = 0 or you are prepared to relax the constraint that G(\cdot;x_0) be continuous at x_0.
 
I appreciate your reply. So it looks like a Green's function doesn't exist for this problem, right?
 
joshmccraney said:
I appreciate your reply. So it looks like a Green's function doesn't exist for this problem, right?

Yes.

The way to solve the non-homogenous boundary value problem <br /> L(y) = (py&#039;)&#039; + qy = -g on the interval [a,b] subject to arbitrary boundary conditions on y is to first solve the eigenvalue problem <br /> L(\phi) = -\lambda w \phi for a convenient weight function w which is strictly positive on (a,b) with \phi subject to a convenient self-adjoint boundary condition. This gives you a discrete spectrum of eigenvalues \lambda_n \neq 0 with corresponding eigenfunctions \phi_n which are orthogonal with respect to the inner product (f,g)_w = \int_a^b f(x)g(x) w(x)\,dx.

(In this case, choosing a suitable boundary condition and setting w = 1 will give \phi_n = P_n^1 with \lambda_n = n(n+1) - 2 for n \geq 2.)

Next, look for a particular solution y_P = \sum_n a_n \phi_n so that <br /> L(y_P) = -\sum_na_n\lambda_n w \phi_n = -g and then multiplying by \phi_m and integrating you should find<br /> a_m = \frac{1}{\lambda_m \|\phi_m\|_w^2}\int_a^b g(x)\phi_m(x)\,dx. A complimentary function y_C \in \ker L can then be added to y_P in order to satisfy the boundary conditions on y.
 

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