Green's theorem - Boundary value problem has at most one solution

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The forum discussion centers on proving that the boundary value problem defined by the equation $$\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ( (1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{y}}\right ) -(1+x^2+y^4)u=f(x,y)$$ with boundary condition $$u(x, y)=g(x,y)$$ for $x^2+y^2=1$ has at most one solution. Participants utilize Green's theorem to analyze the problem, transforming it into a form where the difference of two solutions leads to a contradiction. The discussion highlights the necessity of using polar coordinates and the implications of maximum principles in the context of this boundary value problem.

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Prove using Green's theorem that the boundary value problem $$\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ( (1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{y}}\right ) -(1+x^2+y^4)u=f(x,y), x^2+y^2<1 \\ u(x, y)=g(x,y), x^2+y^2=1$$ has at most one solution.

I have done the following:

We suppose that the problem has two different solutions $u_1, u_2$. Then $w=u_1-u_2$ solves the problem:

$$\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ( (1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}\right ) -(1+x^2+y^4)w=0, x^2+y^2<1 \\ w(x, y)=0, x^2+y^2=1$$

From Green's theorem at $\Omega$ we have that $$\iint_{\Omega}\left (\frac{\partial{Q}}{\partial{x}}-\frac{\partial{P}}{\partial{y}}\right )dxdy=\int_{\partial{\Omega}}(Pdx+Qdy)$$

We choose $$Q=(1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}, P=-(1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}$$

$$\iint_{\Omega}\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ((1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}\right )\\ =-\int_{\partial{\Omega}}-(1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}dx+(1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}dy$$

How could I continue?? (Wondering)
 
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Logically the next step should be to fill in the boundary, which has $x^2+y^2=1$, and which we can trace with $x=\cos\phi,y=\sin\phi$.
Furthermore, we know that on this boundary, we have $w(x,y)=w(\phi)=0$.
Thus:
$$\d w \phi = \pd w x \d x \phi + \pd w y \d y \phi = 0 \Rightarrow -w_x y + w_y x = 0$$
Although, to be honest, I still don't see how we're supposed to find from this that $w(x,y)=0$ on the interior. (Sweating)

Btw, I think there is a superfluous minus sign. (Worried)
I do see another approach... (Thinking)
If we work out the derivatives, and if we assume $w$ has a maximum $w>0$ in the interior, then it follows that at this maximum $w_x=w_y=0$ and $w_{xx}, w_{yy} \le 0$. This leads to a contradiction. Same thing for a minimum. (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
Logically the next step should be to fill in the boundary, which has $x^2+y^2=1$, and which we can trace with $x=\cos\phi,y=\sin\phi$.
Furthermore, we know that on this boundary, we have $w(x,y)=w(\phi)=0$.
Thus:
$$\d w \phi = \pd w x \d x \phi + \pd w y \d y \phi = 0 \Rightarrow -w_x y + w_y x = 0$$
Although, to be honest, I still don't see how we're supposed to find from this that $w(x,y)=0$ on the interior. (Sweating)

So, to use the Green's theorem do we have to use spherical coordinates?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
So, to use the Green's theorem do we have to use spherical coordinates?? (Wondering)

Polar coordinates actually, yes. (Thinking)
 
I found the following solution in my notes:

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Could you explain to me the part where $V_x$ is used?? (Wondering)
 

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mathmari said:
I found the following solution in my notes:



Could you explain to me the part where $V_x$ is used?? (Wondering)

Interesting! (Happy)

That's not Green's Theorem but Integration by parts in higher dimensions.
$V_x$ is supposed to be the x-component of the outward facing normal on the boundary, which I think should be $x$ instead of $1$. :eek:
 

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