Green's theorem - Boundary value problem has at most one solution

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific boundary value problem has at most one solution using Green's theorem. The problem involves a partial differential equation defined in a circular domain and a boundary condition on the circle.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the boundary value problem and proposes that if two solutions exist, their difference solves a related homogeneous problem.
  • Another participant suggests filling in the boundary using polar coordinates and notes that the boundary condition leads to a specific relationship involving the derivatives of the difference function.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about how to conclude that the difference function is zero in the interior based on the boundary condition.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach by considering the maximum and minimum values of the difference function, leading to a contradiction if a maximum exists in the interior.
  • There is a discussion about the use of spherical versus polar coordinates in the application of Green's theorem.
  • Another participant references a solution from their notes and questions the use of a specific term in that solution, suggesting a potential misunderstanding regarding the application of Green's theorem versus integration by parts.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of a component related to the outward normal on the boundary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Green's theorem and the interpretation of certain terms in the context of the boundary value problem. There is no consensus on the next steps or the correctness of specific components discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential issues with signs and the interpretation of terms, indicating that there may be unresolved mathematical steps or assumptions in the discussion.

mathmari
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Prove using Green's theorem that the boundary value problem $$\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ( (1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{y}}\right ) -(1+x^2+y^4)u=f(x,y), x^2+y^2<1 \\ u(x, y)=g(x,y), x^2+y^2=1$$ has at most one solution.

I have done the following:

We suppose that the problem has two different solutions $u_1, u_2$. Then $w=u_1-u_2$ solves the problem:

$$\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ( (1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}\right ) -(1+x^2+y^4)w=0, x^2+y^2<1 \\ w(x, y)=0, x^2+y^2=1$$

From Green's theorem at $\Omega$ we have that $$\iint_{\Omega}\left (\frac{\partial{Q}}{\partial{x}}-\frac{\partial{P}}{\partial{y}}\right )dxdy=\int_{\partial{\Omega}}(Pdx+Qdy)$$

We choose $$Q=(1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}, P=-(1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}$$

$$\iint_{\Omega}\frac{\partial}{\partial{x}}\left ( (1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}\right )+\frac{\partial}{\partial{y}}\left ((1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}\right )\\ =-\int_{\partial{\Omega}}-(1+x^2+y^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{y}}dx+(1+x^2)\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{x}}dy$$

How could I continue?? (Wondering)
 
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Logically the next step should be to fill in the boundary, which has $x^2+y^2=1$, and which we can trace with $x=\cos\phi,y=\sin\phi$.
Furthermore, we know that on this boundary, we have $w(x,y)=w(\phi)=0$.
Thus:
$$\d w \phi = \pd w x \d x \phi + \pd w y \d y \phi = 0 \Rightarrow -w_x y + w_y x = 0$$
Although, to be honest, I still don't see how we're supposed to find from this that $w(x,y)=0$ on the interior. (Sweating)

Btw, I think there is a superfluous minus sign. (Worried)
I do see another approach... (Thinking)
If we work out the derivatives, and if we assume $w$ has a maximum $w>0$ in the interior, then it follows that at this maximum $w_x=w_y=0$ and $w_{xx}, w_{yy} \le 0$. This leads to a contradiction. Same thing for a minimum. (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
Logically the next step should be to fill in the boundary, which has $x^2+y^2=1$, and which we can trace with $x=\cos\phi,y=\sin\phi$.
Furthermore, we know that on this boundary, we have $w(x,y)=w(\phi)=0$.
Thus:
$$\d w \phi = \pd w x \d x \phi + \pd w y \d y \phi = 0 \Rightarrow -w_x y + w_y x = 0$$
Although, to be honest, I still don't see how we're supposed to find from this that $w(x,y)=0$ on the interior. (Sweating)

So, to use the Green's theorem do we have to use spherical coordinates?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
So, to use the Green's theorem do we have to use spherical coordinates?? (Wondering)

Polar coordinates actually, yes. (Thinking)
 
I found the following solution in my notes:

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Could you explain to me the part where $V_x$ is used?? (Wondering)
 

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mathmari said:
I found the following solution in my notes:



Could you explain to me the part where $V_x$ is used?? (Wondering)

Interesting! (Happy)

That's not Green's Theorem but Integration by parts in higher dimensions.
$V_x$ is supposed to be the x-component of the outward facing normal on the boundary, which I think should be $x$ instead of $1$. :eek:
 

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