Group Theory: Finite Group Has Prime Order Element

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The discussion revolves around the existence of an element with prime order in a finite group. Participants explore the implications of the order of elements and provide hints and reasoning related to group theory concepts, particularly focusing on non-identity elements and their orders.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests showing that a finite group contains at least one element with prime order.
  • Another participant proposes considering a non-identity element of the group with order \( n > 1 \) and explores the case where \( n \) is not prime, leading to the conclusion that \( n \) must be divisible by some prime \( p \).
  • A participant provides a detailed argument involving the powers of the element \( g \) and attempts to demonstrate that an element of order \( p \) can be found.
  • There is a reiteration of the previous argument, with a focus on the implications of the order of \( g^a \) and its relationship to \( p \).
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of the reasoning presented and expands on the technique used to construct elements of prime order.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to finding an element of prime order, although there is a note of caution regarding the case when the group has order 1. The discussion includes multiple perspectives on the implications of element orders, but no consensus is reached on all aspects of the problem.

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Some assumptions about the properties of group elements and their orders are not explicitly stated, which may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion does not resolve the implications of groups with order 1.

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Show that if G is a finite group, then it contains at least one element g with |g| a prime number. (|g| is the order of g.)

Hints only as this is an assignment problem.
 
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Let $g$ be an arbitrary non-identity element of the group, with order $n > 1$. Suppose $n$ is not prime, and so $g^n = 1$ but $g^k \ne 1$ for all $1 \leq k < n$. If $n$ is not prime, it is divided by some prime $p$. Can you find an element of the group which has order $p$?
 
It's not *quite* true- if $G$ has order 1...
 
Bacterius said:
Let $g$ be an arbitrary non-identity element of the group, with order $n > 1$. Suppose $n$ is not prime, and so $g^n = 1$ but $g^k \ne 1$ for all $1 \leq k < n$. If $n$ is not prime, it is divided by some prime $p$. Can you find an element of the group which has order $p$?

Let $n=ap$.

$g^n=g^{ap}=(g^a)^p$

So, $(g^a)^p=1$ ------------- (1)

Let us consider $(g^a)^m$ where $1\le m<p$.

Multiplying this inequality by $a$, we get $a\le am<ap$ or $a\le am<n$.

We know that $g^k\ne 1$ for all $1\le k<n$. Since $am<n$, $g^{am}\ne 1$.

So, $(g^a)^m\ne 1$ where $1\le m<p$ ------------- (2)

From (1) and (2), the order of $g^a$ is $p$.

Is this correct?
 
Alexmahone said:
Let $n=ap$.

$g^n=g^{ap}=(g^a)^p$

So, $(g^a)^p=1$ ------------- (1)

Let us consider $(g^a)^m$ where $1\le m<p$.

Multiplying this inequality by $a$, we get $a\le am<ap$ or $a\le am<n$.

We know that $g^k\ne 1$ for all $1\le k<n$. Since $am<n$, $g^{am}\ne 1$.

So, $(g^a)^m\ne 1$ where $1\le m<p$ ------------- (2)

From (1) and (2), the order of $g^a$ is $p$.

Is this correct?

That's right :) using this technique you can easily construct a group element that has the desired prime order, as you have shown. In general, if $g$ has order $nm$ then $g^n$ has order $m$ and symmetrically $g^m$ has order $n$.
 

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