Growing Food on Mars: Utilizing Earth's Hardiest Flora for Nutrient-Rich Soil

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of growing food on Mars using Earth's hardiest flora to enhance Martian soil for agricultural purposes. Participants explore the potential for nutrient extraction from Martian soil, the role of microorganisms, and the challenges posed by Martian conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that soil degradation would occur over time on Mars, raising the question of whether Earth's flora could extract nutrients from Martian soil.
  • Another participant asserts that food crops could only be grown in greenhouses with significant effort.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that nutrient depletion in Martian soil could be mitigated by recycling human waste, which could provide essential nutrients when processed correctly.
  • It is proposed that fungi play a crucial role in breaking down minerals in Martian soil, potentially aiding in nutrient absorption by plants, and that mixing Earth soil with Martian soil could enhance this process.
  • Concerns are raised about the intrinsic toxicity of Martian soil due to perchlorates and the need for plants that can withstand high radiation levels.
  • One participant references the concept of a "Mars jar" and notes that current understanding suggests no Earth weeds can grow on Mars, although extremophile bacteria might be viable.
  • Another participant argues that in a closed ecosystem, nutrients are recycled, and while water and CO2 may be exchanged, essential nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorus should be recoverable.
  • Concerns are expressed about the composition of Martian dust, which is thought to contain little that would be beneficial for fertilization or soil improvement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the viability of using Earth's flora to improve Martian soil. There are competing perspectives on nutrient recycling, the role of fungi, and the challenges posed by Martian conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current understanding of Martian soil composition and the potential for Earth flora to adapt to Martian conditions. The discussion highlights unresolved questions regarding the toxicity of Martian soil and the effectiveness of proposed methods for nutrient extraction.

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As some people may know, the hardest thing to do is create a habitable environment on Mars.

Basic needs would be food, shelter and water.

Assume that water and shelter are already available (for the sake of this topic)

That leaves food..

Food crops could be grown on Mars, but after a while you'd have soil degradation.
The minerals and such would have been extracted from the soil in such a manner that any crop
would not be able to grow there any longer..

Now here's my questionaire:

Would it be possible to use Earth's hardiest flora, to gain any such materials from Mars' soil ?
(regular weeds, cacti and such )

The ingredients would be a handful of Earth soil, mixed in with a lot of Mars soil..
(micro-organisms) and water..
If the weeds would be able to extract any amount of nutrients from the Mars soil,
they could then be composted and used as fertilizer for the actual crops..

Now, is it possible, or is there any indication of Mars soil not being able to deliver
any such ingredients ?

Thanx..

Note: Assume the atmosphere would be CO2 enriched..as a by-product of the habitation
unit's CO2 'production'.
 
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ZMacZ said:
Food crops could be grown on Mars
Only in greenhouses with considerable effort
 
For starters, nutrient depletion in Martian soil would be minimal if the inhabitants recycled their sweat, urine, and 'night soil'. For example when you create pure water from urine, as is done on the ISS, you get a concentrated solution with potassium and nitrogen compounds that can act as a fertilizer (as long as you neutralize the basicity first).

As far as weeds being "able to extract any amount of nutrients from the Mars soil", you've got the wrong picture. Fungi are what typically break down large mineral structures into soluble minerals that can be absorbed by plants. There's all kinds of symbiotic relationships between plants and fungi for that express purpose. And yes, mixing Earth soil with Martian soil would probably do the trick to some degree. You could also mechanically crush the minerals to speed up the process even faster.

In sum, nutrient depletion in Martian soil is so far down the list of challenges that it's barely worth thinking about. Far higher on the list is finding or designing plants that can withstand the hard radiation on Mars' surface, or dealing with the problem that Martian soil is intrinsically toxic due to the high concentration of perchlorates.

https://www.space.com/21554-mars-toxic-perchlorate-chemicals.html
 
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@ZMacZ - google for 'Mars jar' - an old approach. As our understanding of Mars soils and atmosphere stands at the moment, there are no 'weeds' (mostly angiosperms, so-called flowering plants) from Earth that could grow on Mars. Extremophile Earth bacteria, maybe. It is also slightly possible that we may have already introduced some bacteria to Mars via some of our exploratory spacecraft .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile
A more pop Science take: https://news.nationalgeographic.com...a-alien-life-protection-humans-planets-space/
 
In a closed ecosystem nutrients can't disappear, they are recycled,
Water and CO2 might be exchanged with the external environment, but Nitrogen compounds and other essential nutrients such as Phosphorus should be fully recoverable,
As far as I know, the dust on the surface of Mars has very little in it which would be a useful fertilizer or soil improvement.
Iron Oxides and other metal compounds with a lot of Chlorine in it. yuck.
 
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