Gut feelings: How the microbiome may affect mental illness

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The discussion centers around the potential connections between the gut microbiome and mental health, particularly in relation to conditions like bipolar disorder and depression. Participants explore various hypotheses and anecdotal evidence regarding how gut health may influence mood and mental well-being.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses personal concern about bipolar disorder and inquires how the microbiome might be beneficial.
  • Another participant shares anecdotal evidence suggesting a link between tooth decay microbes and depression, proposing that stomach chemistry imbalances could similarly affect mood.
  • A third participant references the role of gut microbes in various bodily functions and mentions that while probiotic treatments are used for gastrointestinal issues, there is limited data on their effects on mental health.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of sufficient research supporting health claims made by probiotic manufacturers, particularly in Europe and the United States.
  • One participant notes the established link between depression and inflammation, citing several papers that discuss this relationship, while questioning the source of inflammation.
  • A humorous remark is made about the relationship between the microbiome and sociability, suggesting that the effects of gut health could be observable through social behaviors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the idea of a gut-brain connection while others highlight the need for more research and caution against overstating claims. No consensus is reached on the specifics of these connections or their implications for mental health.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the anecdotal nature of some claims and the limitations of current research, particularly regarding the efficacy of probiotics and the complexity of mental health conditions.

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I suffer with bipolar , how would this help me?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/161207093019.htm

All of us who have experienced a 'nervous stomach' under periods of stress suspect that there is a link between our gut and our mood. Now researchers have received strong scientific support for exactly this link.
 
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wolram said:
All of us who have experienced a 'nervous stomach' under periods of stress suspect that there is a link between our gut and our mood. Now researchers have received strong scientific support for exactly this link.
I have read (sorry, no citations so you have to take this as anecdotal but I believe it is firmly established) that there is a demonstrable link between tooth decay microbes and depression, so it doesn't seem odd to me that an imbalance in your stomach chemistry would cause mood issues.
 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mental-health-may-depend-on-creatures-in-the-gut/

The human gut microbiome evolved to help us in myriad ways: Gut microbes make vitamins, break dietary fiber into digestible short-chain fatty acids and govern normal functions in the immune system. Probiotic treatments such as yogurt supplemented with beneficial strains of bacteria are already being used to help treat some gastrointestinal disorders, such as antibiotic-induced diarrhea. But there are little data about probiotic effects on the human brain.

Probiotic sites give "evidence" for more of a link, but the scientific research on this only recently being accepted as a pursuit.

Wiki has a write-up for probiotics, with the warning for consumers,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic
The European Food Safety Authority has rejected all petitions by commercial manufacturers for health claims on probiotic products in Europe due to insufficient research and thus inconclusive proof of effectiveness.[2][39] Occurring over many years, the scientific reviews established that a cause-and-effect relationship had not been sufficiently proven in the products submitted.[39]

In the United States where food product labeling requires language approval by the FDA, probiotic manufacturers have received warning letters of impending legal actions for using exaggerated claims of health benefits not supported by clinical evidence of efficacy

With trillions of micro-flora on or within our bodies, it is a worthwhile investigation.
 
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wolram said:
I suffer with bipolar , how would this help me?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/161207093019.htm

All of us who have experienced a 'nervous stomach' under periods of stress suspect that there is a link between our gut and our mood. Now researchers have received strong scientific support for exactly this link.
Very interesting! I have heard similar things from a number of different knowledgeable people, i.e. that there is some sort of interaction/links between the gut and the brain.

phinds said:
I have read (sorry, no citations so you have to take this as anecdotal but I believe it is firmly established) that there is a demonstrable link between tooth decay microbes and depression, so it doesn't seem odd to me that an imbalance in your stomach chemistry would cause mood issues.
Also interesting! Furthermore, I am aware that there has been research that shows links between depression and inflammation. Some papers about this:
Edit: I just saw that I replied to a couple of posts from 2016. :smile:
 
How much you fart depends on the microbiome, so at least the link to sociability shouldn't be hard to prove.
 
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