Haag's Theorem & Wightman Axioms: Solving Problems in QFT?

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The discussion centers on Haag's theorem and the Wightman axioms in the context of quantum field theory (QFT), exploring their implications, limitations, and the ongoing challenges in formulating a mathematically rigorous theory for interacting particles in four-dimensional spacetime. Participants question the practical utility of these concepts and their relation to existing problems in QFT, such as renormalization and the treatment of infinities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that QFT struggles with the cluster decomposition assumption, questioning whether Haag's theorem and Wightman axioms provide any real solutions to practical problems.
  • Others assert that while the Wightman axioms outline the vacuum sector of QFT, no interacting relativistic QFT in four dimensions has been constructed since their introduction, highlighting a lack of logical foundation for current predictive methods.
  • There is a discussion on the use of finite lattice approximations and perturbation theory as workaround methods in QFT, which some participants believe lack proper logical grounding.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of cluster decomposition for the independence of distant particles, while others note Haag's theorem's implications for the structure of interacting fields.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the notion of a "mathematically rigorous" formulation of QFT, suggesting that physical rigor should be prioritized over mathematical rigor.
  • Concerns are raised about the renormalization process, with some participants arguing that it addresses physical problems rather than purely mathematical ones.
  • There is a mention of the Wilsonian viewpoint, which posits that the Standard Model is a low-energy theory and does not require validity at all energy scales, complicating the quest for a comprehensive theory.
  • Participants discuss the high accuracy of predictions in QFT, attributing it to quantum mechanics rather than QFT itself, while others challenge this view by pointing out the limitations of QM without QED.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and implications of Haag's theorem and Wightman axioms, with no consensus on their practical utility or the nature of the problems in QFT. Disagreements persist regarding the interpretation of renormalization and the foundational issues in constructing a rigorous theory.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the current understanding of interacting fields in QFT, the dependence on specific mathematical frameworks, and the unresolved nature of certain theoretical constructs. The relationship between physical and mathematical rigor remains a point of contention.

  • #61
A. Neumaier said:
but in an approximation much finer than what can be calculated numerically. Thus a theory is needed how to match these widely differing scales. If you call this mess conceptually clean we are light years away in the use of such terms.
No. We do not need a theory for this, all we need is computations, approximate computations. There is no need for different theories, one well-defined theory is sufficient, and for this well-defined theory a lattice theory with periodic boundary conditions is a good candidate.

You need a theory to match a theory with some lattice approximation of that theory?

What I call conceptually clean is lattice theory with periodic boundary conditions. This is a well-defined theory, everything finite. This characterization of the lattice theory as conceptually clean does not depend on the lattice spacing and the size. Because "conceptually clean" is about concepts, not about our ability to compute something.

Approximate computations may be messy, they are in fact always messy.

What makes the difference is if there is a well-defined theory which one attempts to approximate - which is the case if that theory is a lattice theory - or if one attempts to approximate something which is not even well-defined - which is the case in continuous Lorentz-covariant field theory, even in the nice renormalizable case.
 
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  • #62
Denis said:
What I call conceptually clean is lattice theory with periodic boundary conditions. This is a well-defined theory, everything finite.
But in this conceptually clean theory everything of interest has been cleaned away.

There is neither a notion of bound states nor a notion of scattering matrix, nor a notion of resonances, nor a notion of particles, nor a notion of angular momentum, nor a notion of canonical commutation relations.

Nothing is left of all the stuff needed to make conceptual sense of experimental data.
 
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