Half-Life of Radioactive Waste: 150,000 Years

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the half-life of a particular radioactive waste, given that only 1/8 of the original amount remains after 150,000 years. Participants explore the implications of this fraction and seek clarification on the concept of half-life, as well as the appropriate mathematical approaches to solve the problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the half-life as 1,200,000 years based on the formula 150,000 years divided by 1/8, questioning whether the fraction should remain as is, be converted to a decimal, or a percent.
  • Another participant suggests that since less than half of the original sample remains, the half-life must be less than the elapsed time of 150,000 years, proposing a method to determine the half-life based on the number of halvings (3 times in this case).
  • A different participant expresses confusion regarding the email response they received, which included a mathematical explanation that differed from their understanding of the problem, specifically regarding the treatment of the fraction 1/8.
  • One participant prefers to keep fractions in their rational form for ease of calculation, providing an alternative approach using logarithms to find the half-life when the remaining amount is not a power of two.
  • Another participant explains the concept of half-life as the time required for half of a substance to decay, illustrating the decay process through powers of two and emphasizing the pattern observed in the remaining amounts over successive half-lives.
  • There is mention of a general formula for exponential decay, with participants discussing how to apply it to find the half-life based on the remaining amount after a specified time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct method to approach the problem and the treatment of the fraction 1/8. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or calculation of the half-life, as various methods and understandings are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of using consistent units of time when applying the exponential decay formula, but there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in the calculations and the clarity of the mathematical steps involved.

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After 150 thousand years, only 1/8 of the original amount of a particular radioactive waste will remain. The half-life of this radioactive waste is how many thousand years?

150,000 years / 1/8
150,000 / .125
= 1,200,000

If this isn't correct is the 1/8 suppose to be stay as a fraction, turned into a decimal, or turned into a percent? Also, if this isn't correct can somebody explain to me what the term means saying "half-life"?
 
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Since less than half of the original sample is present, you should expect that the half-life is less than the time that has already elapsed.

A quick way to solve this particular problem is to observe that the original amount has been halved 3 times, since $$\frac{1}{8}=\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^3$$, and so we know the half-life is one-third of the elapsed time.

We won't always be presented with a current amount that is a power of one-half times the original amount, so a more general method would be to use:

$$A(t)=A_0\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^{-\frac{t}{k}}=\frac{A_0}{2^{\frac{t}{k}}}$$ where $$0<k\in\mathbb{R}$$ is the half-life.

Now, we are told:

$$A(150000)=\frac{A_0}{8}$$

and so we may state:

$$2^{\frac{150000}{k}}=2^3$$

Now, equate exponents, and solve for $k$.
 
Re: Math Word Problem

Mark FL,

What shows up in my email as you working out this word problem shows something totally and completely different. I know obviously the problem that I worked out was wrong, but the question I asked was does the 1/8 stay as a fraction or be turned into a decimal or percent?

Here is what was sent to my email:
Since less than half of the original sample is present, you should expect that the half-life is less than the time that has already elapsed.

A quick way to solve this particular problem is to observe that the original amount has been halved 3 times, since \frac{1}{8}=\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^3, and so we know the half-life is one-third of the elapsed time.

We won't always be presented with a current amount that is a power of one-half times the original amount, so a more general method would be to use:

A(t)=A_0\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^{-\frac{t}{k}}=\frac{A_0}{2^{\frac{t}{k}}} where 0<k\in\mathbb{R} is the half-life.

Now, we are told:

A(150000)=\frac{A_0}{8}

and so we may state:

2^{\frac{150000}{k}}=2^3

Now, equate exponents, and solve for $k$.

My understanding of this math problem than what shows on this site seems to be a little different. Which is suppose to be the correct way?
 
What was sent to you by email is the text minus the MATH tags.

As you can see by this line:

$$A(150000)=\frac{A_0}{8}$$

I left the 1/8 as a fraction, since 8 is a power of 2, it made the last step easier. But suppose, instead we were told 1/10 of the original was left, then we would have:

$$2^{\frac{150000}{k}}=10$$

I try to use rational numbers rather than decimal representations whenever possible. I just prefer that form.

Taking the natural logarithm of both sides, we would find:

$$\frac{150000}{k}\ln(2)=\ln(10)$$

Now, solving for $k$, we find:

$$k=\frac{150000\ln(2)}{\ln(10)}\approx45154.49934959717$$

Does it make sense to you that if the elapsed time is held constant, but the amount left is decreased, then the half-life decreases as well? A smaller half-life means the substance decays at a quicker rate.
 
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After 150 thousand years, only 1/8 of the original amount of a particular radioactive waste will remain. The half-life of this radioactive waste is how many thousand years?

150,000 years / 1/8
150,000 / .125
= 1,200,000

If this isn't correct is the 1/8 suppose to be stay as a fraction, turned into a decimal, or turned into a percent? Also, if this isn't correct can somebody explain to me what the term means saying "half-life"?

half-life is the amount of time it takes for half a given substance to decay. It needs a large sample size so the law of large numbers can be used.

  • At the start you have a fraction of 1 remaining (none has decayed)
  • After one half-life you have 0.5 remaining
  • After two half-lives you have 0.25 remaining

If you use the powers of two you have (where H/L is half-life for brevity's sake):
  • Start = $$2^0$$
  • One H/L = $$2^{-1}$$
  • Two H/L = $$2^{-2}$$

There is a pattern here: after n half-lives you have [math]2^{-n}[/math] left of the original amount.

If you know that [math]\dfrac{1}{8} = 2^{-3}[/math] you can say that three half-lives have passed in those 150,000 years so one half-life must be one-third of the 150,000 years that have passed.



More generally you can use the formula for exponential decay

[math]A = A_0e^{-t / t_{1/2}}[/math] where:

  • $$A$$ is amount remaining at time [math]t[/math]
  • $$A_0$$ is amount when $$t=0$$
  • $$t$$ is time
  • $$t_{1/2}$$ is the half-life

We know that:

  • $$A = 0.125A_0$$
  • $$A = A_0$$
  • $$t = 150,000$$

You can then plug in those values and find [math]t_{1/2}[/math]

$$0.125A_0 = A_0 e^{-150000/t_{1/2}}$$



A quick note on units: You can use any unit of time you like as long as your half-life and time share the same unit. Your value will come out in years if you apply the formula above.
 

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