Haloes or rings round the moon?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of rings or haloes observed around the moon or sun, particularly focusing on the role of light reflection and refraction through ice crystals in high clouds. Participants are exploring the optical principles behind this phenomenon, including comparisons to rainbows.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how light reflection by clouds leads to the formation of haloes, with some questioning the relationship between this and the bow shape of rainbows. Others are discussing the principles of dispersion and internal reflection in relation to both phenomena.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing resources and asking for clarification on specific points. Some have suggested looking up additional information to aid understanding, while others are probing deeper into the mechanics of light behavior in different contexts.

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Participants are navigating complex optical concepts and are encouraged to separate different principles at play, such as dispersion and internal reflection, in their understanding of haloes and rainbows.

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Why sometimes rings are observed round the moon or sun?
My book says
When the moon or sun is observed through a thin layer of high clouds,reflection of light from fine icy crystals,present in the clouds,results in the formation of rings.
Can someone please elaborate on that so that I can understand easily by using an example or by other means?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Yes we can - but there are many other resources describing this phenomenon, for instance:
http://Earth'sky.org/space/what-makes-a-halo-around-the-moon
... if you will describe how you are having trouble with this stuff, then maybe we can help you out.
Cheers;
Well my trouble in understanding is that how can the reflection of light by the clouds be the reason for formation of haloes?
 
Simon Bridge said:
It's the same way that rainbows are bow-shaped.
And why are rainbows bow shaped?
 
Try looking it up - you'll find that easier to understand because the process is simpler.
Rain comes in spherical droplets - which is why you get the rainbow in that particular shape, and why you have to have your back to the Sun to see one.
Ice crystals come in a range of shapes so the haloes vary in shape and size and position.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Try looking it up - you'll find that easier to understand because the process is simpler.
Rain comes in spherical droplets - which is why you get the rainbow in that particular shape, and why you have to have your back to the Sun to see one.
Ice crystals come in a range of shapes so the haloes vary in shape and size and position.
Well,I do know it is because of the phenomenon of dispersion that rainbow formation occurs.But I have never thought about how rainbows could be bow shaped.I can't find a logical reason behind why rainbows have to be similar in the shape of droplets.I thought droplets helped in acting like prisms!
And here how does the ring formed due to refraction of light be compared to rainbow formation?
 
Anithadhruvbud said:
Well,I do know it is because of the phenomenon of dispersion that rainbow formation occurs.But I have never thought about how rainbows could be bow shaped.I can't find a logical reason behind why rainbows have to be similar in the shape of droplets.I thought droplets helped in acting like prisms!
And here how does the ring formed due to refraction of light be compared to rainbow formation?
You need to separate two principles. The separation of colours in a rainbow is indeed due to dispersion, but even if the light from the sun were all one wavelength there would still be monochromatic rainbows. The bow itself is due to internal reflection.
For a ray of light from the sun to be reflected inside a raindrop to reach your eye, your eye and the sun must subtend a particular angle at the raindrop. What is the locus of the raindrops at that angle?
 

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