Harnessing the power of lightning

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This discussion focuses on methods to harness the power of lightning, emphasizing the need for a conductive channel to tap into atmospheric electric charges. Key approaches include creating a plasma channel using a continuous wave laser, which poses significant power challenges, and generating a positively charged ion beam to establish a continuous discharge channel. The conversation also highlights the potential use of a Single Ended Primary Inductor Converter (SEPIC) for charging capacitors, which can then power equipment or convert DC to AC. The discussion references the historical contributions of Charles Steinmetz in this field.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of plasma physics and laser technology, specifically continuous wave lasers.
  • Knowledge of dielectric breakdown and its implications for atmospheric electricity.
  • Familiarity with ion beam generation and its applications in electrical engineering.
  • Experience with power electronics, particularly Single Ended Primary Inductor Converters (SEPIC) and capacitor technology.
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  • Research the specifications and capabilities of SEPIC converters that can handle 30 kA.
  • Investigate the wavelengths that facilitate air ionization at low energy levels.
  • Explore the dynamics of positively charged ion beams and their neutralization processes.
  • Study the historical experiments of Charles Steinmetz related to lightning and electrical engineering.
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Electrical engineers, researchers in atmospheric electricity, and anyone interested in innovative energy harnessing techniques will benefit from this discussion.

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I was thinking to create a feasible method to effectively harness power of lightning. Even though lightning does not have enough power to meet global energy requirement, i was intending to do it for knowledge's sake.

I realized, in order to tap into the vast electric charges of clouds, it was necessary to create a conductive channel so that the charges get a conductive path.

i found it was possible by

1)by creating a plasma channel by a laser, but it would have to be cw(continuous wave) laser so that the channel can be maintained. But I believe that is impossible since the power requirements of the said laser would be humongous.

2)by dielectric breakdown of air, which is not possible for lightning harnessing purposes

3) By creating a beam of positively charged ions and artificially creating positive streamer.

this channel can be electrically connected with a Single ended primary inductor converter which in turn can be used to charge capacitors. These capacitors can be of a high discharging time and less charging time. these capacitors can then directly be used to power equipment or convert dc into ac at required frequencies using power inverter.

now my questions are
1) does sepics of such rating exist which can handle 30 kA ?
2) is there a wavelength at which air ionization occurs at very low energy ?
3) how far can a positively charged ion beam go before getting neutralized ?
 
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Or you could induce a lightning strike the same way everyone else does it. Fire a small rocket into a thunderhead, trailing a very thin wire. I think the bigger problem would be figuring out how to do something useful with a huge amount of power delivered over a very short time duration.
 
there exist a constant potential difference between upper atmosphere and Earth surface, lightning occurs when dielectric breakdown of air occurs. I intend to harness the potential of the atmosphere itself. Firing a rocket and having a sudden discharge does not satisfy what I'm intending to do. I intend to create a constant channel through which discharging should occur continuously. This would take out the variation in intensity of each strike and thus a small variation in supply would be faced by equipment.
 
I don't think the issue here is to induce a strike, but rather how to direct it to a location where it can be stepped down to a usable voltage. As far as finding a lightning bolt goes, just build this hypothetical power station in a frequently stormy place.
 
there exista a book "Mpdern Jupiter" about Charles Steinmetz, who in addition to being a genius equal to Tesla ran experiments with lightning.

He seems to have been written out of US textbooks after WW2, i suppose because of his socialist leanings.



http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?invid=10815432021&noworks=1&qtit=Charles+Proteus+Steinmetz&browse=1&qsort=&page=1

anyhow, every aspiring EE should be aware of him.

old jkim
 
Most likely this can only be answered by an "old timer". I am making measurements on an uA709 op amp (metal can). I would like to calculate the frequency rolloff curves (I can measure them). I assume the compensation is via the miller effect. To do the calculations I would need to know the gain of the transistors and the effective resistance seen at the compensation terminals, not including the values I put there. Anyone know those values?

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