Has anyone rebutted E. Lester Smith's Intelligence Came First theory?

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The discussion centers around E. Lester Smith's "Intelligence Came First" theory, which posits that intelligence precedes the development of biological functions, particularly in relation to the brain. Participants explore whether there have been rebuttals to Smith's conclusions, touching on themes of intelligent design and evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants summarize Smith's argument, suggesting that intelligence operates independently of the physical brain and questioning the mechanistic view of evolution.
  • One participant references the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case and suggests that the arguments supporting Smith's theory have been thoroughly rebutted.
  • Another participant expresses a strong negative opinion about intelligent design, labeling it as "crackpottery."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus among participants. Some support the notion that Smith's theory has been rebutted, while others express skepticism about intelligent design as a whole.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific arguments and cases but does not resolve the validity of Smith's theory or the critiques of intelligent design.

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Hey guys ..

I would like to know if anyone has gone through, "Intelligence Came First" by E. Lester Smith. He make some nice points.

Have their been any rebuttals to His conclusions ?

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Which were?

Garth
 
It's an intelligent design argument... on a Universal scale.. It is common among ID proponents to argue against evolution using cosmological arguments.

Here is the premise: Throughout evolution function has proceded the organ through which it is to be exercised; the organ developed in response to a need. So why should the brain be any exception? In other words INTELLIGENCE CAME FIRST, quite able to function in its own realm. Working from such a premise it is no wonder that this daring group of scientists has opened up a Pandora's box of controversy. Are life, intelligence, and consciousness the primal realities? And is their expression in biological forms on Earth a secondary event? Is this scientific heresy? The authors suggest that it is somewhat ridiculous to maintain the position of a mechanistic, chance creation which insists that thought originates and depends upon the physical brain. This book has been written for both the scintist and the layman and includes some very real experimental situations. Suggest the authors: "Speaking of the brain ... no special 'box' equivalent to the computer's 'memory store' has been identified; nor is memory to be found in a particular cell, synapse, or chemical molecule." "Searching for memory traces is like looking for the difference between jazz and symphonic music by studying the humps on a phonograph record." "All experience is not stored in the brain."
--- from book's back cover

https://www.amazon.com/review/product/083560456X/ref=_dp_top?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&tag=pfamazon01-20

To the OP, yes. This book is out of print. The argument has advanced a lot since and the premise has been rebutted in every detail. Read the transcripts from Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District and search and watch the youtube videos by Ken Miller. The notion of functionality that supposedly arose before function is dealt with in detail. If you want more after that answer Garth (if the thread don't get locked first).
 

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