Has the market corrupted the goal of education?

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The discussion centers on the impact of market forces on educational goals, particularly in the United States. Participants argue that the noble aim of education, as described by Plato, has shifted towards fulfilling market demands, favoring STEM fields like engineering and computer science over the humanities. This trend has led to budget cuts in non-profitable programs, forcing students to prioritize lucrative careers over personal interests. The conversation highlights the need for policy guidance in education to balance market utility with the value of diverse academic disciplines.

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  • Understanding of educational philosophy, particularly Plato's views on education.
  • Familiarity with STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) fields and their economic implications.
  • Knowledge of current trends in U.S. higher education funding and program prioritization.
  • Awareness of the job market dynamics and their influence on educational choices.
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  • Research the historical context of educational philosophy and its evolution over time.
  • Examine the economic impact of STEM versus humanities education on job market outcomes.
  • Investigate policy proposals aimed at balancing funding between STEM and humanities programs.
  • Explore case studies of universities that have successfully integrated diverse academic disciplines.
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Posy McPostface
Forgive my rather philosophical posted question; but, having been in college for little more than a year, I can't but help to feel that what was once considered a noble goal of 'conditioning the soul' (as Plato might say) via education has instead been turned into the gratification of wants and needs imposed by the workings of the market. Please don't get the wrong idea, I'm not professing a Marxist interpretation here in regards to capitalism and free market's directing resources to the most profitable endeavours of education, be it engineering or computer science; but, increasingly there's been a lack of policy guiding education in the US, at least in my opinion or rather that policy (as seen in STEM programs) has been guided by the amount of utility to be gained from studying a STEM field. This seems like some sort of affirmative action or implicit bias towards those who study STEM majors instead of the humanities and such.

Nowadays, students face a hard choice in choosing their future jobs by diverting their time to professions that are lucrative and with a higher return on their investment, via debt accumulation by going to college. Art, humanities, and other rather humanistic endeavors face budget cuts to their programs due to not being as profitable as say engineering or computer science.

I hope I'm not coming off as making a value judgment; but, that seems to be the case when deciding to pursue some educational programs instead of others due to the working of the economy.

What can be done, or whether anything should be done about this is my question for posting this thread.
 
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Posy McPostface said:
Forgive my rather philosophical posted question; but, having been in college for little more than a year, I can't but help to feel that what was once considered a noble goal of 'conditioning the soul' (as Plato might say) via education has instead been turned into the gratification of wants and needs imposed by the workings of the market. Please don't get the wrong idea, I'm not professing a Marxist interpretation here in regards to capitalism and free market's directing resources to the most profitable endeavours of education, be it engineering or computer science; but, increasingly there's been a lack of policy guiding education in the US, at least in my opinion or rather that policy (as seen in STEM programs) has been guided by the amount of utility to be gained from studying a STEM field.

I don't see the problem. I would argue that the primary goal of college is to help students develop into capable professionals in a chosen field. All other considerations are secondary to this. (Note that I said secondary, not that they are pointless) College represents and enormous amount of time, effort, energy, and money. The returns that students get for putting in all of this should be worthwhile.

Note that Plato's opinion of what education should be suffers from being 2500 years out of date with current civilization. Education in his era was not as long, not as in-depth, and the potential applications for their skills were much more limited than they are now. The dominant profession in that time period was subsistence farming and science and engineering did not yet exist as established professional fields. As far as I'm aware, Craftsmen were not taught in a school, but rather by on-the-job training as apprentices. Indeed, I would argue that part of the reason that early schools focused on "humanities" was because those were the only subjects which either couldn't be taught on-the-job or didn't have many practical applications.

Posy McPostface said:
Nowadays, students face a hard choice in choosing their future jobs by diverting their time to professions that are lucrative and with a higher return on their investment, via debt accumulation by going to college. Art, humanities, and other rather humanistic endeavors face budget cuts to their programs due to not being as profitable as say engineering or computer science.

I hope I'm not coming off as making a value judgment; but, that seems to be the case when deciding to pursue some educational programs instead of others due to the working of the economy.

Again, I don't see a problem. If the market is over-saturated in a specific field, then new students should be aware of this so that they don't spend 4-8 years of their lives only to graduate and work at a convenience store because they can't get a job in their field. Likewise, if a field is hurting for people to fills its empty positions, then the educational system should respond and work to increase the number of graduates in that field.

As for the budget cuts faced by the humanities programs, well, I don't have much to say about it at this time.
 

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