What are the challenges faced by disillusioned math majors in finding a job?

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The discussion centers on the challenges faced by individuals with advanced degrees in mathematics who are struggling to find employment. Participants share personal experiences, frustrations with the job market, and the perceived disconnect between academic training and job requirements. The scope includes job searching, interview experiences, feelings of inadequacy, and considerations for future career paths.

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  • One participant details their extensive job search, highlighting a lack of responses despite numerous applications across various fields, including data analysis and software development.
  • Concerns are raised about the perceived irrelevance of a mathematics degree to available job opportunities, with feelings of disillusionment regarding the value of their education.
  • Another participant suggests that interview performance may be a factor in the lack of job offers, proposing the idea of practicing interview skills.
  • There is a mention of the possibility of being viewed as "overqualified" for certain positions, which may deter employers.
  • One participant expresses a desire to contribute to community organizations to gain experience, although this may not provide immediate financial benefits.
  • Another participant encourages breaking down larger career goals into smaller, manageable tasks to alleviate feelings of being overwhelmed.

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Participants express a shared sense of frustration and concern about underemployment and the challenges of finding relevant work. However, there are differing views on the reasons for these challenges, such as interview performance versus the relevance of academic qualifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various limitations, including a lack of networking opportunities, the perceived disconnect between academic training and job market demands, and the overwhelming nature of job qualifications. There is also an acknowledgment of the emotional toll that prolonged job searching can take.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for recent graduates in mathematics or related fields who are experiencing difficulties in the job market, as well as those interested in understanding the challenges faced by disillusioned job seekers in STEM disciplines.

  • #121
@Mark44 once again you're freaking awesome
 
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You could also look into science librarianship as a career. It would require getting an MLS or MIS degree, which takes around a year of full-time study.

English librarians are a dime a dozen, but science ones are rare and in high demand. While the pay is not as high as in industry, universities can be pleasant working environments.
 
  • #123
With the internship I honestly feel a bit ignored. Because it is remote we only communicate through email, teams and some online videos. I am being paid but they seem disinterested I do not know. Maybe it is because of the work from home situation.
 
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homeylova223 said:
With the internship I honestly feel a bit ignored. Because it is remote we only communicate through email, teams and some online videos. I am being paid but they seem disinterested I do not know. Maybe it is because of the work from home situation.
As someone who works full-time from home (and have worked remotely full-time pre-pandemic), it is more challenging to maintain connections with your fellow co-workers.

I would suggest that you take the initiative and set up meeting times with your managers or other co-workers. You should send meeting invites on Outlook, Google Mail (or whatever e-mail and meeting service you have) at a time when you and your manager are both available (you should be able to check their availability on Outlook), and outline a clear agenda of discussion. Whether that would be the specifics of your work, any questions you have, your work progress, possibilities of full-time employment, etc.

It's important that you be assertive. I say this because I get the sense from your posts here on PF that you come across as a passive person, waiting for someone else to reach out to you. In such a situation you are more likely to be overlooked, so try to avoid this if at all possible.
 
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homeylova223 said:
1. They are BS MATH, MS Math
2. I asked them but they not give me an answer. They said we will have more interns over the summer but I want a full time job. I wish I could talk to the hiring manager I sent him some emails but this is like a remote position.
The company likely has a limited number of entry-level positions and may offer full-time positions to interns who demonstrate their value. Right now is your chance to convince them you should be one of those candidates.

Of course, even if you prove to be a potential full-timer, there are other reasons why a company may not offer you a job. It might just not be hiring, etc. What you don't want to do is leave them with a negative impression that gets you on a do-not-hire list.

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3. I considered it. But I heard it is really tough dealing with teenagers, you have to be someone who can handle minors, I can teach math but you also have to keep order in the classes.
A fellow instructor once told me he loved the students when he taught math at a high school; it was the adults that drove him nuts. Dealing with parents and administrators was the real headache.

You'd have to get a teaching credential, and you'll learn some classroom management skills along the way. So I wouldn't let fear of that stop you, but I understand your concern. As Mark noted, teaching at a CC could be a good option for you.
 
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homeylova223 said:
With the internship I honestly feel a bit ignored.
I don't think you should necessarily take this personally. It is often the case where the mentors are under pressure to get project tasks completed on time, while explaining to the intern takes longer than doing the work themselves. Other times, mentors are assigned on the day the intern arrives, with no prior warning. A good internship program addresses these problems systematically. Even then, the intern's experience is vastly improved by a mentor who makes the effort.

It is sad to see interns (3rd year engineering students) assigned jobs like, "scan all this microfiche to pdf files."
 
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homeylova223 said:
I thought if you get an internship you would be offered a full time role at the end. But I do not think that will happen ...
Remember, there's still a pandemic going on. Many businesses are still having having a hard time forecasting what their hiring needs and available funding will be.
 
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I thought I would provide an update, since many people have viewed my thread and probably are curious about my progress. I was able to find a full time job as a supply chain analyst in a large retail company a couple of weeks ago.
I mostly work by creating SQL queries and making dashboard by importing them to tableau so far.
I am not finished with my degree yet but I think industrial engineering was a good choice.
I hope this job goes well.
 
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