Have I just invented a new axiom?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a formula proposed by a participant while exploring the concept of removing time from Classical Physics. The participants examine the formula's validity and its classification as an axiom, with a focus on whether it has been encountered before.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula, X = √ ((X/2Π) * (X*2Π)), and expresses curiosity about its prior existence.
  • Another participant questions the significance of the formula and its validity, pointing out that it does not hold for x = -1.
  • Some participants note that the formula simplifies to √(x²), which is equal to |x|, but also highlight that this relationship is not unique to the proposed formula.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of an axiom, with participants suggesting that the proposed formula does not qualify as one.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the term "axiom" is complex and invites others to join a related discussion on the topic.
  • Several participants express that the original post was intended as a lighthearted inquiry rather than a serious claim of discovery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the formula or its classification as an axiom. There are competing views regarding its significance and correctness, particularly concerning its behavior at specific values of x.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations related to the formula's applicability at certain values and the ambiguity surrounding the definition of axioms. These aspects remain unresolved.

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I doubt it but I was doing some work on trying to remove time from Classical Physics (just for the hell of it) and I came across a formula that made me go "huh, not seen that before, but it's kind of neat."

Just out of curiosity has anyone seen this formula before?

X = √ ((X/2Π) * (X*2Π))
 
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If you mean ##x = \sqrt{\frac{x}{2\pi}x2\pi}##, where's the point?
 
No more than it's an interesting pattern and I thought I'd post out of curiosity as to whether seen it before.
 
Doesn't work if ##x=-1##.
 
Whatever this formula is or where it comes from, it's not an axiom. You should consult a dictionary for a proper definition of that term.
 
Ah a classic example of a tongue-in-cheek post title being met with derision and scorn (it was a play on the classic "HAVE I JUST INVENTED A NEW FORMULA?!" posts you get on things like this.

I am genuinely interested if anyone has seen this pattern before because this is the first time I came across it, and it just seemed kind of neat.
 
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Ah a classic example of a tongue-in-cheek post title being met with derision and scorn (it was a play on the classic "HAVE I JUST INVENTED A NEW FORMULA?!" posts you get on things like this.

I am genuinely interested if anyone has seen this pattern before because this is the first time I came across it, and it just seemed kind of neat.

Yes, it's a neat pattern and formula. But it's wrong. Try ##x=-1##.
 
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Yeah, hubris took hold before I checked it with x = -1
 
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CasualCalculus said:
Just out of curiosity has anyone seen this formula before?

X = √ ((X/2Π) * (X*2Π))
Or in an easier-to-read form:
fresh_42 said:
If you mean ##x = \sqrt{\frac{x}{2\pi}x2\pi}##, where's the point?

CasualCalculus said:
No more than it's an interesting pattern and I thought I'd post out of curiosity as to whether seen it before.
The right side simplifies to ##\sqrt{x^2}##, which is NOT equal to x. It is true, however, that ##\sqrt{x^2}## = |x|.
 
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It is true that ##|x|=\sqrt{(x/2π)2πx}##, but it is also true that ##|x|=\sqrt{(x/79)79x}## and ##|x|=\sqrt{(x/y)xy}##. This axiom already exists:
##|x|=\sqrt{x^2}##.
 

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