Hawking radiation and cosmic microwave background radiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between Hawking radiation and cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB), particularly regarding the conditions under which black holes can evaporate. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and the nature of black hole radiation in the context of the universe's current thermal state.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that for a black hole to evaporate, its temperature must exceed that of the CMB, presenting mathematical equations to support this claim.
  • Another participant counters that Hawking radiation occurs independently of the universe's temperature, suggesting that while the CMB affects the total energy balance, it does not prevent Hawking radiation from occurring.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that black holes currently absorb more energy than they emit due to the higher temperature of the surrounding universe, particularly for solar mass black holes or larger.
  • Some participants clarify the distinction between black hole evaporation and radiation, indicating that confusion may exist regarding these concepts.
  • There is speculation about the existence of small black holes formed shortly after the Big Bang, with the suggestion that they could still be evaporating today.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the conditions necessary for black hole evaporation and the implications of the CMB on Hawking radiation. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial mathematical claims or the broader implications of black hole radiation in the current epoch.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential confusion between the concepts of black hole evaporation and radiation, indicating that assumptions about the relationship between black hole mass and radiation may not be universally accepted.

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In order for the black hole to evaporate it must have a temperature greater
than that of the present-day black-body radiation of the Universe.

Cosmic microwave background radiation temperature:
T_u = 2.725 \; \text{K}

Hawking radiation temperature:
T_H = \frac{\hbar c^3}{8 \pi G M k_B}

Hawking radiation temperature is greater than or equal to cosmic microwave background radiation temperature:
T_H \geq T_u

\frac{\hbar c^3}{8 \pi G M k_B} \geq T_u

Hawking total black hole mass:
M_H \leq \frac{\hbar c^3}{8 \pi G k_B T_u} \leq 1.226 \cdot 10^{23} \; \text{kg}
\boxed{M_H \leq 1.226 \cdot 10^{23} \; \text{kg}}

Earth total mass:
M_{\oplus} = 5.9722 \cdot 10^{24} \; \text{kg}

\frac{M_H}{M_{\oplus}} = 0.007539 = 0.754 \; \text{%}

According to reference 4 - p. 2, eq. 1:
\frac{M_H}{M_{\oplus}} = 0.8 \; \text{%}

Are these equations correct?
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Reference:
Cosmic microwave background radiation - temperature - Wikipedia
Hawking radiation - black hole evaporation - Wikipedia
Earth mass - Wikipedia
The Last Eight Minutes Of A Primordial Black Hole - Joseph Kapusta
 
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Your premise is incorrect. Hawking radiation will occur regardless of the temperature of the universe. This has been discussed on this forum several times.

The total EFFECT of the Hawking radiation will be affected by the temperature of the universe, since the incident radiation from the CMB may more than offset the loss to the BH due to Hawking radiation, but that does NOT mean that Hawking radiation does not occur.
 
A black hole always radiates, but, the present background thermal energy is far greater than the temperature of any black hole a solar mass [or larger], so, black holes are actually absorbing more energy than they radiate at this time in cosmic history.
 

The premise is 'In order for the black hole to evaporate', not 'in order for a black hole to radiate', perhaps you are confusing evaporation with radiation...

It does seem improbable that small black holes under that mass threshold exist in the present epoch of the Universe.

If quantum or micro black holes ever existed, they would have evaporated already a long time ago, in the very earliest epochs of the Universe.
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Orion1 said:
The premise is 'In order for the black hole to evaporate', not 'in order for a black hole to radiate', perhaps you are confusing evaporation with radiation...
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OOPS. You're right, I did. Thanks for the correction.
 
Orion1 said:
It does seem improbable that small black holes under that mass threshold exist in the present epoch of the Universe.[/Color]
There are theories that small black holes (something like a big mountain) formed shortly after the Big Bang. They could evaporate today.
 

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