Hawking Radiation: How Do Black Holes Emit?

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The discussion centers around the concept of Hawking radiation and how black holes emit this radiation despite the notion that light cannot escape from them. Participants explore theoretical explanations, mechanisms, and implications of this phenomenon, touching on aspects of quantum mechanics and gravitational effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that virtual particles are created at the event horizon, with one particle falling into the black hole and the other escaping, which is observed as Hawking radiation.
  • Others argue that the energy for the creation of these particles comes from the gravitational field of the black hole, suggesting that this process leads to the black hole's gradual evaporation over time.
  • A participant presents a more detailed explanation involving the gravitational tidal force doing work equal to 2mc², allowing for the creation of a particle and an antiparticle near the Schwarzschild radius, with implications for the black hole's mass and temperature.
  • There is a correction regarding the terminology used, with a participant emphasizing the distinction between "real" and "virtual" particles, asserting that the escaping particle has positive energy while the one falling in has negative energy, impacting the black hole's mass and temperature.
  • Some participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the simplifications made in earlier explanations, indicating a recognition of the nuances involved in the discussion.
  • A participant references an external video resource for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the particles involved in Hawking radiation and the mechanisms by which black holes emit radiation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing explanations and interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and gravitational effects, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of terms like "real" and "virtual" particles. The discussion also acknowledges that the processes involved are more complicated than presented.

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if light cannot escape a black hole then how do they emit stuff called hawking radiation.
 
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My understanding is that virtual particles are created on the event horizon boundary: one falls in and one escapes, which we see as hawking radiation. The energy for this creation comes from the gravitational field of the black hole which is linked to its mass, thus overtime as this energy is depleted the black hole 'evaporates'.
 
If the gravitational tidal force does a work equal to 2mc^2 (mc^2 is the mass-energy of a particle) BH can create two real particles (a particle and an antiparticle) in the vicinity of schwarzschild radius. Since these particles are created outside it's possible that one of these fall into the BH whereas the other escape. In this case BH has lost mc^2 of mass-energy (the escaping particle) (hence temperature (which is proportional to 1/(BH mass)) increases) and BH radiates.
Note that this is a very semplified treatment, in reality things are more complicated.
 
ok thanks for the answers .
 
FrankPlanck said:
If the gravitational tidal force does a work equal to 2mc^2 (mc^2 is the mass-energy of a particle) BH can create two real particles (a particle and an antiparticle) in the vicinity of schwarzschild radius. Since these particles are created outside it's possible that one of these fall into the BH whereas the other escape. In this case BH has lost mc^2 of mass-energy (the escaping particle) (hence temperature (which is proportional to 1/(BH mass)) increases) and BH radiates.
Note that this is a very semplified treatment, in reality things are more complicated.
You are wrong for using the word real in the first place. Funky rightly said virtual ( because we haven't of cannot directly observed them). The fact is, they are created near the mouth of the black hole and one has negative while the other has positive energy(this I believe is principally not to violate the conservation of energy).The one with the posite energy is what we see as the radiation. The one with with negative energy falls in and reduces the black hole's energy. This in turn reduce the mass of the black hole since the mass is proportional to the energy of the black hole. reduction in mass means increase in temperature which further speeds up radiation and the black hole eventually evaporates.
 
Abbas Sherif said:
You are wrong for using the word real in the first place. Funky rightly said virtual ( because we haven't of cannot directly observed them). The fact is, they are created near the mouth of the black hole and one has negative while the other has positive energy(this I believe is principally not to violate the conservation of energy).The one with the posite energy is what we see as the radiation. The one with with negative energy falls in and reduces the black hole's energy. This in turn reduce the mass of the black hole since the mass is proportional to the energy of the black hole. reduction in mass means increase in temperature which further speeds up radiation and the black hole eventually evaporates.

You are obviously right, I was trying to explain the process in the simplest way (that is wrong, but it helps to understand) :)
 
there is a great vid on youtube done by BBC. just type in hawking radiation and it should be the first vid on the list.
 
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