Heat Death of the Universe: Is It Inevitable?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the Heat Death of the Universe as a potential end state, contrasting it with other theories such as the Big Crunch. Participants explore the implications of Heat Death, including the state of the universe and the fate of matter and energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Heat Death implies a universe that exists without living beings, potentially in a frozen state.
  • Others argue that Heat Death represents a state of maximum entropy where no usable energy remains, leading to a universe that is cold, dark, and empty.
  • A participant questions whether the universe will shrink back to a state similar to before the Big Bang or remain larger but empty.
  • There is mention of historical assumptions regarding the universe's expansion and the role of gravity, with some suggesting that current measurements indicate a flat universe that will continue to expand and cool.
  • One participant notes that theories about the end of the universe are largely speculative and contingent on the development of a comprehensive theory of Quantum Gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of Heat Death and the validity of the Big Crunch theory, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of entropy and energy states, as well as unresolved questions about the universe's fate and the nature of its expansion.

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Hello. I a few hours ago opened a new thread called "Big Crunch". But now that I've learn that it's not really possible for Big Crunch to happen, I also look for another possibilities. It looks like the best theory is Heat Death. It says that all stars will be dead the temperature will be the same within the universe. Does that mean the universe will still exist but without living beings? The universe will still exist albeit frozen? Or will it shrink and get smaller?
 
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But now that I've learn that it's not really possible for Big Crunch to happen

who said that??
It looks like the best theory is Heat Death.

It's just another possibility.

Does that mean the universe will still exist but without living beings? The universe will still exist albeit frozen? Or will it shrink and get smaller?

I already answered this in the other thread...in addition, it is a state of maximum entropy. So not even information can be processed.
 
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Naty1 said:
who said that??

It's just another possibility.
I already answered this in the other thread...in addition, it is a state of maximum entropy. So not even information can be processed.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=63 I interpreted it as that.

What exactly did you mean by"... cold, dark and empty." Will it shrink until it becomes as how it was before the Big Bang? Or since the all matter, dark matter and dark energy are gone, it'll remain as how it is?(Bigger universe than the current one, but empty?)
 
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from the other discussion:

Up until the later 1990's, it was assumed that attractive gravity was slowing down the rate of expansion and that eventually it would either reach a steady state and just go on at a constant rate forever, or much more likely would reverse direction and [oops, should be 'or' contract in a Big Crunch.
So in terms already posted, our best measures show the value of Ω [omega] close to 1, very close to a flat universe. If it stays that way, expansion continues and the universe remains about flat and eventually becomes cold, dark and empty.

Expansion means cooling, contraction means heating...
 
Naty1 said:
from the other discussion:






Expansion means cooling, contraction means heating...

Oh, I beg your pardon for overlooking your post. ( I blame it on my English though). Thanks. By the way, sorry for being off-topic but is " The Last Three Minutes" by Paul Davies any good?
 
Oh, I beg your pardon for overlooking your post.

You are not alone. Happens all the time here. That's why I replied as I did earlier.

Its always a good idea to read replies carefully.
 
Heat death is when the universe reaches a state of max entropy, so that no energy is usable, it's just all basically heat energy. But by then the universe will have expanded to the point that energy will be extremely thinly spread.

All in all, theories concerning the end of the universe are largely speculation (which is why we have like 5 major one) until we have a comprehensive theory of Quantum Gravity (or theory of everything)
 

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