Help Guide my Fundamental Understanding, getting to the core

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The discussion revolves around the participant's desire to achieve a fundamental understanding of mathematics and its principles, particularly in relation to physics. The scope includes foundational concepts in math, number theory, algebra, calculus, and the historical context of these topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a feeling of lacking a critical foundational understanding of mathematics despite academic success in Mechanical Engineering.
  • Another participant suggests that the original post may have been placed in an incorrect section of the forum.
  • A request for resources to build a comprehensive understanding of fundamental math principles is made, specifically regarding the development and context of trigonometric functions.
  • One suggestion for foundational reading is Euclid's Elements, which is presented as a resource for a "ground up" approach to mathematics.
  • Another participant recommends "The Feynman Lectures on Physics" as a valuable resource for understanding the foundations of physics.
  • A warning is provided that physicists may not prioritize mathematical rigor, suggesting that participants look for rigorous texts on mathematics or physics.
  • Clarifications about trigonometric functions being ratios of side lengths in right triangles are provided, along with a mention of Euler's formula for deeper insight.
  • Discussion includes methods of understanding differentiation and integration through limits and Riemann sums, with a suggestion that these concepts are typically taught in class.

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Participants appear to share a common interest in foundational understanding, but there is no consensus on specific resources or approaches, and some disagreement exists regarding the appropriate section for the original post.

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Limitations include the participant's self-reported lack of understanding of trigonometric functions and the varying levels of rigor in mathematical treatments suggested by participants.

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Ok so this is kinda wishy washy but I don't know how else to explain this other than I feel like I am missing a critical piece of information as far as fundamental "math" goes. I am highly intelligent and and am a Mechanical Engineering Major who gets all A's, but I feel like I am missing a "foundation." I've been watching these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW8Cy6WrO94&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SP55C7C83781CF4316 videos which is a lectures series on the history of math/algebra/calculus and It is helping somewhat. I know this is a very hard question to answer and I know myself better than any of you of course. However I am curious to know what some of guys think about my desire to have a "ground up" understanding, I was very uninterested on High School and have just recently discovered my geeky/intellectual nature at 26 years old and my life has been completely reinvigorated with a desire to learn anything and everything about anything especially physics and calculus/math/number theory. Sorry to rant but I am very curious to see you guys thoughts on going back to fundamentals! Any book recommendations or comments are highly appreciated!
 
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I think you posted in the wrong section.
 
Well...were should it go?
 
What's your request? I didn't quite catch it from the paragraph you posted. You want resources for learning the history of math/science?
 
Yeah its pretty hard to describe but I want resources for building from the "ground up" a complete and concise understanding of the fundamental principles of math/number theory/algebra/calculus, which we all know is the foundation on which physics rests. Maybe its just that almost at the end of my freshman year and I'm wanting to much to soon. But and example would be that I really have no concept of what the trig functions are and where they came from (sine, cos, or cosh perhaps). I just know how to do calculations with them and that they relate angles and lengths of triangles. What I would really like to know is how the trig functions where developed and any other contextual information that would help me understand what these functions are at the very core of there being?
 
Ive never heard of this, but "ground up" is exactly what I want! Anybody know a "ground up" book in relation to physics.
 
Try the three-volume set "The Feynman Lectures on Physics". It is an extraordinary work, and will give you an eyefull of what this lively Nobel prizewinner thinks (thought) about the "foundations on which physics rests", among other things.
 
oooo great, will do
 
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Physicists rarely worry too much about mathematical rigor ill warn you, so look for texts on mathematics or particularly rigorous treatments of physics.

Wikipedia is nice if you don't want to spend thousands on books lol. If nothing else it will help point you in the right direction so you can get the right books.

As for sine cosine etc, it's ratios of side lengths of a right triangle (and their inverses). Euler's formula gives some more deep insight into trig but not a whole lot since it's mostly used for complex angles, it's basically pretty simple.

Differentiation is just taking a limit of a difference function, and for integration the simple treatment is taking a limit of a riemann sum but there are other ways to think about it.

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You should be able to perform the calculations for taking a derivative and an integral manually using the difference function/Riemann sum to have a real understanding of calculus. But I imagine they teach that in class no?
 

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