Help please -- Regarding good use of time during days off from college

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The discussion revolves around how an undergraduate physics student can effectively utilize time during a pause in college classes due to COVID-19. The student is considering whether to focus on learning mathematical proofs or to delve into applied mathematics relevant to their coursework, specifically in relation to linear algebra and physics topics such as Electrodynamics and Waves & Optics.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) is contemplating whether to pursue the basics of mathematical proofs or to focus on applied mathematics that aligns more closely with their syllabus.
  • Some participants suggest that applied mathematics, such as Vector Analysis and Differential Equations, may be more beneficial for a physics major than focusing on proofs.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding vector curl and divergence for grasping Maxwell's equations, indicating that these concepts are often challenging for students.
  • The OP expresses difficulty in finding resources that explain vector calculus beyond a formulaic approach and seeks recommendations for books or lectures that provide deeper reasoning.
  • Several book recommendations are made, including "Div Grad Curl and All That" by Schey and "Mathematical Methods for Physics and Engineering" by K.F. Riley, as well as a free online resource by Prof. Nearing.
  • The OP notes that their current textbook, "Electricity and Magnetism" by Edward Purcell, has been helpful in understanding these mathematical methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that applied mathematics is important for physics majors, but there is no consensus on whether the OP should focus on proofs or applied mathematics. Multiple perspectives on the best approach remain, with some advocating for studying ahead in the syllabus while others emphasize the value of understanding mathematical proofs.

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The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical concepts and resources, as well as differing opinions on the relevance of proofs versus applied mathematics in the context of physics education.

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Undergraduate students in physics or related fields looking for guidance on how to effectively use their study time, particularly during interruptions in formal education.

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My country has been hard hit by second wave of covid, so bad that the colleges that were conducting classes online had to be paused for two weeks. So since i have time, i am thinking of using it properly.
I was wondering should i pursue how to proof in maths since i have linear algebra in my course and the book that we are using, Stephen Andrilli's Elementary linear algebra, has a little bit of proofing in it. So should i pursue the basics of proofing or should i study something else which is more related to my syllabus.
For background, I am currently an undergrad(first year) in physics. Currently in my second semester. My core for this semester are Electrodynamics and Waves&optics(Only wave optics).

P.S. i know it normally takes a while to get answers on the forum, so me posting an time urgent(atleast in my opinion) thread seems like foolish but i sure i will try.

P.P.S I could rush ahead in the syllabus, but the fact is that my entire second semester is most likely online again. So i normally find plenty of time to easily cover and stay a little ahead of the class.
 
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Being a physics major, you will likely benefit more with applied mathematics study and less with proofs.

You could investigate Vector Analysis as it combines the techniques Calculus and Linear Algebra together into a more powerful tool allowing one to understand Maxwell's EM theory.

As an example, vector curl is usually a mystery to students more so than vector divergence. Understanding them will go a long way in understanding the physics of Maxwell's equations.

https://betterexplained.com/articles/vector-calculus-understanding-circulation-and-curl/

Alternatively, you could look into Differential Equations since the four math pillars for physics are Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Statistics.

@PeterDonis or @Vanadium 50 could chime in here with better suggestions for physics. @fresh_42 could add better commentary on the value of proofs.
 
jedishrfu said:
Being a physics major, you will likely benefit more with applied mathematics study and less with proofs.

You could investigate Vector Analysis as it combines the techniques Calculus and Linear Algebra together into a more powerful tool allowing one to understand Maxwell's EM theory.

As an example, vector curl is usually a mystery to students more so than vector divergence. Understanding them will go a long way in understanding the physics of Maxwell's equations.

https://betterexplained.com/articles/vector-calculus-understanding-circulation-and-curl/

Alternatively, you could look into Differential Equations since the four math pillars for physics are Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Statistics.

@PeterDonis or @Vanadium 50 could chime in here with better suggestions for physics. @fresh_42 could add better commentary on the value of proofs.
Yeah it might be better for me to pursue better understanding of applied mathematics. however i find that when i tried to study vector calculus from my books. most of them gave a formulae based approach to the entire concept of divergence,curl etc. Can you recommend some book or lectures that goes into the depth of the reasoning behind these mathematical methods. the closest thing i found to an understanding of these mathematical methods were in my physics book, namely Electricity and magnetism By Edward Purcell.

P.S. I can easily borrow Mathematical Methods For Physics And Engineering by K.F. Riley from one my neighbors. I currently own mathematical physics by H.K Dass (a native writer), though i have found that his books are more focused on doing questions to pass the exam rather than teaching the subject.

P.P.S i also asked my prof. about this issue however i have yet to receive an answer.
 
There’s a book called Div Grad Curl and All That by Schey that gives an applied approach using EM theory as the applied field sandbox.
 
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Carolus_Rex said:
My country has been hard hit by second wave of covid, so bad that the colleges that were conducting classes online had to be paused for two weeks. So since i have time, i am thinking of using it properly.
I was wondering should i pursue how to proof in maths since i have linear algebra in my course and the book that we are using, Stephen Andrilli's Elementary linear algebra, has a little bit of proofing in it. So should i pursue the basics of proofing or should i study something else which is more related to my syllabus.
For background, I am currently an undergrad(first year) in physics. Currently in my second semester. My core for this semester are Electrodynamics and Waves&optics(Only wave optics).

P.S. i know it normally takes a while to get answers on the forum, so me posting an time urgent(atleast in my opinion) thread seems like foolish but i sure i will try.

P.P.S I could rush ahead in the syllabus, but the fact is that my entire second semester is most likely online again. So i normally find plenty of time to easily cover and stay a little ahead of the class.
You listed good options for yourself. If you are doing well in your courses, TRY STUDYING AHEAD. When the sections or topics are delivered to you in normal instruction, you will then be reviewing them.
 
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jedishrfu said:
There’s a book called Div Grad Curl and All That by Schey that gives an applied approach using EM theory as the applied field sandbox.
I believe that Edward Purcell has used the similar approach in his book, i will try to download its pdf and check for myself. thanks for the suggestion
 

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