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The discussion revolves around the calculation of directional derivatives, specifically focusing on the function f=9-x^2-y^2 and the vector u=i-j. Participants are examining the correct application of the formula for directional derivatives and the requirement for u to be a unit vector.

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  • One participant calculates the directional derivative as Du f(x,y)=-sqrt(2)+sqrt(2) and seeks clarification on a discrepancy in their answer.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the directional derivative is computed using the gradient ∇f and the vector u, noting that u must be a unit vector.
  • A participant questions whether u always needs to be a unit vector, indicating this is a new concept for them.
  • Responses confirm that u must indeed be a unit vector and reference external material for clarification.
  • There is a suggestion that the participant should take the dot product of the gradient of f with the unit vector of u instead of the original vector u.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that u must be a unit vector for the calculation of directional derivatives, although there is some initial uncertainty regarding this requirement.

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There is an implicit assumption that participants are familiar with the concepts of gradients and directional derivatives, but the discussion does not resolve all potential misunderstandings about the application of these concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about directional derivatives, particularly those encountering the concept of unit vectors in this context for the first time.

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f=9-x^2-y^2 and u=i-j
The directional derivative comes out to be Du f(x,y)=-sqrt(2)+sqrt(2)

I'm going to find the directional derivative and could someone kindly point out the mistake because I am getting a different answer and it's important I understand how to do this question:

Du f(x,y) is simply the ∇f.u (note u is a vector)

Now ∇f=-2xi-2yj and ∇f.u=(-2xi-2yj).(i-j) = -2x+2y. Help?
 
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hi hivesaeed4! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
hivesaeed4 said:
Du f(x,y) is simply the ∇f.u (note u is a vector)

no, u must be the unit vector :wink:
 
I hope this doesn't sound stupid but does u always have to be a unit vector. The reason I'm asking is that this is the first time I've heard of it having to be a unit vector.
 
So instead of having taken the dot product of u and del of f in the above example I should have taken the dot product of del of f and the unit vector of u.

Right?
 
yup! :biggrin:
 
Thanks a lot, tiny-tim.
 

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