Help with a Helmholtz-like equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a Helmholtz-like equation involving a fourth order partial differential operator applied to a Green's function. Participants explore methods for determining coefficients in a proposed solution and clarify the nature of the operator involved.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving the equation (\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 G(\vec{x},\vec{x}')=\delta(\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) and seeks advice on finding coefficients A and B in a proposed solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the operator is nonlinear, but this is challenged by others who assert that it is linear, providing a breakdown of the operator as a fourth order PDE.
  • A participant mentions their approach of integrating both sides of the equation to handle derivatives of the delta function.
  • One participant shares a solution derived from known results about Green's functions, providing specific values for A and B, but expresses uncertainty about the reliability of the computational tool used to obtain these values.
  • There is a clarification on the nature of the operator, with participants discussing the multiplication of second derivatives and confirming the linearity of the operator.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the characterization of the operator as nonlinear versus linear. While some participants clarify the linear nature, the initial assertion of nonlinearity remains unaddressed, indicating a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the complexity of handling derivatives of the delta function and the potential pitfalls of relying on computational tools without prior knowledge of the expected results.

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I am trying to find the solution to a problem defined as follows:

[tex] (\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 G(\vec{x},\vec{x}')=\delta(\vec{x}'-\vec{x})[/tex]

where K is simply a constant and x is three dimensional.

[tex] A \left[ e^{-K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}-\vec{x}') + e^{K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) \right]<br /> + B \left[ (\vec{x}-\vec{x}') e^{-K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}-\vec{x}') + (\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) e^{K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) \right][/tex]
Here, H is the step function.

and I am trying to find A and B such that the first equation is satisfied. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed?

My initial guess was to apply [tex](\partial_x^2-K^2)^2[/tex] to my proposed solution and then solve for A and B. This gets a bit tricky since once I start taking derivatives I get derivatives of the delta function.
 
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DrJekyll said:
[tex] (\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 G(\vec{x},\vec{x}')=\delta(\vec{x}'-\vec{x})[/tex]
Hmm, I have never had to deal with problem like that. It seems to me a nonlinear operator.

DrJekyll said:
This gets a bit tricky since once I start taking derivatives I get derivatives of the delta function.

But I frequently encountered derivatives of the delta function. I would integrate both sides such that the derivatives of the Dirac Delta is part of the integrand. and then

[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta^{'}(t)f(t)dt=-f^{'}(t)[/tex]
 
Why do you think it's nonlinear?

It's actually linear, I mean we have a fourth order PDE:

[tex](\partial_x^2-K^2)^2= \partial_x^4 -2\partial_x^2 K^2 +K^4[/tex]
remember that K is a scalar operator and thus it commutes with any other operator.

As for the question itself, I guess you know the recipe for finding Green function,
Do I need to repeat it? (cause I myself kinda keep forgetting).
 
I'm no good with Green's functions, hence the post. However I did come up with a solution:

First, I know the solution to
[tex] (\partial_x^2 - K^2)G(x,x') = F(x)[/tex]
is
[tex] -\int dx' F(x') \frac{e^{-K |x-x'|}}{2 K}[/tex]

So we just need to look for the function that produces -1/2K times the exponentials and step functions when operated on by the above.

Turns out that this produces [tex]A = \frac{1}{4K^3}[/tex] and [tex]B=\frac{1}{4K^2}[/tex]

Maple spat this answer out earlier, but it is hard to trust maple unless you already know the answer.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Why do you think it's nonlinear?

It's actually linear, I mean we have a fourth order PDE:

[tex](\partial_x^2-K^2)^2= \partial_x^4 -2\partial_x^2 K^2 +K^4[/tex]

Do you mean [tex](\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}})^{2}=\frac{\partial^{4}}{\partial x^{4}}[/tex]?
 
Yes.
[tex](\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}})^2=(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})[/tex].

Think of it as multiplication of operators.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Yes.
[tex](\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}})^2=(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})[/tex].

Think of it as multiplication of operators.

Ok, Thanks. I thought it was the power of the second partial derivative.
 

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