Help with hydrostatic force questions

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The discussion revolves around calculating hydrostatic forces on a rectangular swimming pool filled with water. Participants address multiple questions related to hydrostatic force on the bottom and walls of the pool, as well as the work required to pump the water out. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarifications.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the integral of the hydrostatic pressure to calculate the force on the bottom of the pool, suggesting a formula involving depth and surface area.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for hydrostatic force on a submerged rectangle, detailing how to compute the force using an elemental area approach.
  • Some participants express confusion about the calculations, with one stating they obtained a specific numerical result but are unsure about the coordinate system orientation for wall forces.
  • There is a discussion about the correct values for water density and surface area, with one participant calculating the force on the bottom of the pool and providing a numerical result.
  • Participants inquire about the correct parameters to use in the integral for calculating the hydrostatic force on the walls, specifically questioning the width and limits of integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty regarding the calculations for the hydrostatic forces on the walls of the pool, indicating that multiple competing views remain on how to approach these calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific values for water density and surface area, but there is no consensus on the correct approach to calculating the hydrostatic force on the walls. The discussion includes various interpretations of the coordinate system and the setup of integrals.

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Here are the questions...

A rectangular swimming pool is 4 feet deep, 75 feet long, and 25 feet wide. It is completely filled with water.

a. What is the hydrostatic force on the bottom of the pool?
b. What is the hydrostatic force on the shorter wall of the pool?
c. What is the hydrostatic force on the longer wall of the pool?
d. How much work is required to pump all the water out of the pool (i.e., up to the top of the pool)?

As far as a. goes, I think it is the integral of (62.4 lbs/feet3)(75)(25)(4-yi) as goes from 0 to 4, but I am far from confident. And the rest has me baffled.
 
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a) If the depth of the pool is the same everywhere, then we have:

$$F=\rho hA$$

where:

$$h$$ = the depth of the pool.

$$A$$ = the surface area of the bottom of the pool.

b) Let's find the hydrostatic force on a vertically submerged rectangle, whose width is $w$ and height is $h$. If we orient a vertical $x$-axis along one side of the rectangle, with the origin at the surface and the positive direction down, we may compute the force along one horizontal elemental rectangle having area $A(x)$ making up the entire rectangle as:

$$dF=\rho xA(x)$$

The area of this elemental rectangle is its width at $x$ times its height $dx$, hence:

$$dF=\rho xw(x)\,dx$$

where:

$$w(x)=w$$ (the width is constant for a rectangle)

And so we have:

$$dF=\rho w x\,dx$$

Now, if the top edge of the rectangle is at $x=x_1$ and the bottom edge is at $x=x_2$, then by summing all of the elements of the force, we find:

$$F=\rho w\int_{x_1}^{x_2}x\,dx$$

Now what do you find upon applying the FTOC?
 
I guess I am still struggling with this conceptually. I think I computed your equation and the answer I got was 936,000 lbs. Do I need to reorient the coordinate system to get get the hydrostatic force against the wall. If so, how?
 
upnorthgy said:
I guess I am still struggling with this conceptually. I think I computed your equation and the answer I got was 936,000 lbs. Do I need to reorient the coordinate system to get get the hydrostatic force against the wall. If so, how?

a) We have the following:

Weight of water per cubic foot: $$\rho=62.42796\,\frac{\text{lb}}{\text{ft}^3}$$

Depth: $$h=4\text{ ft}$$

Area of surface: $$A=\left(75\text{ ft}\right)\left(25\text{ ft}\right)=1875\text{ ft}^2$$

Thus, we find:

$$F=\left(62.42796\,\frac{\text{lb}}{\text{ft}^3}\right)\left(4\text{ ft}\right)\left(1875\text{ ft}^2\right)=468209.7\text{ lb}$$

b) The integral I set up above is already oriented correctly for a vertical surface (such as the sides of the pool)...what do you get when you compute the definite integral?
 
Understood part A, however I'm struggling on B. Would \omega just be 25? Also what would i plug in for x dx, 100? Thanks
 
Fizgig said:
Understood part A, however I'm struggling on B. Would \omega just be 25? Also what would i plug in for x dx, 100? Thanks

For part b), you would use:

$$F=25\rho \int_{0}^{4}x\,dx$$

You don't plug in for $x\,dx$, you simply evaluate the definite integral. Can you continue?

I would actually prefer to evaluate the definite integral:

$$F=\rho w\int_{x_1}^{x_2}x\,dx$$

first, and then plug in the given data.
 

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