Hydrostatic Force in swimming pool

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The discussion revolves around calculating the hydrostatic force on one side of a swimming pool with an inclined bottom, where the shallow end is 3 ft deep and the deep end is 9 ft deep. The pool dimensions are 20 ft wide and 40 ft long, and participants are analyzing the geometry of the trapezoidal side to set up their calculations.

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  • Participants are attempting to model the force on the side of the pool as a combination of rectangular and triangular areas. They discuss their integral setups and question the correctness of their expressions for depth and width in relation to the triangular section.

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There is ongoing exploration of different integrands and setups for the integrals. Some participants are correcting their previous calculations and discussing the relationships between dimensions, while others are questioning the assumptions made in their setups. No consensus has been reached on the correct approach yet.

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A swimming pool is 20 ft wide and 40 ft long and its bottom is an inclined plane, the shallow end having a depth of 3 ft and the deep end, 9 ft. If the pool is full of water, estimate the force on one of the sides.

They mean one of the trapezoidal sides, not the rectangular ones. Anyway, I've drawn it out and decided it out to be thought of as two plates: one recangular (with dimensions 40ft x 3ft) and one triangular (a right triangle with a height of 6ftand length 40ft).

The positive x-axis is oriented such that it is pointing south.

Using similar triangles I can get the "depth" of the upside down triangular plate to be 3x/20 in terms of x. Since it is 3ft below the surface (there's still the rectangular plate on top) the "depth" of the triangle to be 3+3x/20.

I have my integrals set up like so:

ρg=62.5 lb./ft^2

\int_{0}^{3} 62.5x(40)~dx + \int_{3}^{9} 62.5(3+3x/20)(40)~dx

My answer is incorrect. The correct answer is 4.88E4 lbs. Assuming that my integration is correct, how did I mess up the set up to get the wrong answer?

Blurry picture of a poor diagram:
http://s1096.beta.photobucket.com/user/TVRobot/media/DSCN57191.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
 
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johnhuntsman said:
A swimming pool is 20 ft wide and 40 ft long and its bottom is an inclined plane, the shallow end having a depth of 3 ft and the deep end, 9 ft. If the pool is full of water, estimate the force on one of the sides.

They mean one of the trapezoidal sides, not the rectangular ones. Anyway, I've drawn it out and decided it out to be thought of as two plates: one recangular (with dimensions 40ft x 3ft) and one triangular (a right triangle with a height of 6ftand length 40ft).

The positive x-axis is oriented such that it is pointing south.

Using similar triangles I can get the "depth" of the upside down triangular plate to be 3x/20 in terms of x. Since it is 3ft below the surface (there's still the rectangular plate on top) the "depth" of the triangle to be 3+3x/20.

I have my integrals set up like so:

ρg=62.5 lb./ft^2

\int_{0}^{3} 62.5x(40)~dx + \int_{3}^{9} 62.5(3+3x/20)(40)~dx

My answer is incorrect. The correct answer is 4.88E4 lbs. Assuming that my integration is correct, how did I mess up the set up to get the wrong answer?

Blurry picture of a poor diagram:
http://s1096.beta.photobucket.com/user/TVRobot/media/DSCN57191.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

In the second integral, I got a different integrand. Instead of (3+3x/20), I got x(9-x)/6
 
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Chestermiller said:
In the second integral, I got a different integrand. Instead of (3+3x/20), I got (9-x)/6

How'd you get that?

[Edit] Or perhaps more importantly, does that get you to 4.88E4 lbs.? [Edit]
 
johnhuntsman said:
How'd you get that?

[Edit] Or perhaps more importantly, does that get you to 4.88E4 lbs.? [Edit]

I corrected a factor in my previous post. It should read x (9-x )/6. With this, I get a force of 48750 lb.

You must have made an error in determining the contact width for the differential area on the triangular section. The contact width I got was w = 40 (9 - x) / 6, so that when x = 3, w = 40, and when x = 9, w = 0.
 
Chestermiller said:
I corrected a factor in my previous post. It should read x (9-x )/6. With this, I get a force of 48750 lb.

You must have made an error in determining the contact width for the differential area on the triangular section. The contact width I got was w = 40 (9 - x) / 6, so that when x = 3, w = 40, and when x = 9, w = 0.

So what you're saying is that w is to 40ft what 9 - x is to 6ft?

Or rather, "what width of small triangle is to width of large triangle, height of small triangle is to height of large triangle."
 
johnhuntsman said:
So what you're saying is that w is to 40ft what 9 - x is to 6ft?

Or rather, "what width of small triangle is to width of large triangle, height of small triangle is to height of large triangle."

Yes. That's pretty much how I did it, but, in retrospect, it's probably easier to say that when x = 3, w = 40 and when x = 9, w = 0, and that the relationship between w and x is linear, so fit it with a straight line.
 
Chestermiller said:
Yes. That's pretty much how I did it, but, in retrospect, it's probably easier to say that when x = 3, w = 40 and when x = 9, w = 0, and that the relationship between w and x is linear, so fit it with a straight line.

Alright thanks. I appreciate it.
 

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