Herbs vs Chemicals: Which is Better for Treating Illness?

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The discussion centers around the comparative efficacy and safety of herbal remedies versus conventional medicine for treating illnesses. Participants explore various aspects of this topic, including the nature of immunity, the distinction between treating symptoms and causes, and the inherent risks associated with both approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether it is true that the body cannot build immunity to herbs as it can with conventional medicines.
  • There is a claim that most medicines treat symptoms rather than causes, while herbs are suggested to work oppositely; however, this assertion is challenged as "rubbish."
  • Concerns are raised about the dangers of using herbs versus chemicals, with a participant suggesting that the comparison is flawed as both are chemicals.
  • One participant argues that herbalists often adhere to a philosophy that equates natural substances with safety, which is critiqued as overly simplistic.
  • It is noted that some herbal forms of substances may produce more adverse effects compared to their synthesized counterparts due to the variability in chemical composition.
  • A participant highlights that herbal medicinals contain known pharmaceutically active compounds but typically in lower concentrations than their chemically synthesized versions.
  • The historical context of herbal medicine, particularly in Chinese culture, is mentioned as a long-standing practice with established uses for certain herbs like ginseng.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the superiority of herbs or conventional medicine. Disagreements exist regarding the effectiveness and safety of both approaches, as well as the philosophical underpinnings of herbalism.

Contextual Notes

Variability in the chemical composition of herbal remedies is noted as a limitation, along with the potential for differing effects based on the form of the substance used. The discussion also reflects differing perspectives on the role of practitioners in the treatment process.

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The other night I had two friends at the house for a gathering. One is an herbalist and the other is some sort of doctor, I'm not sure of his specific job title. However that is not important. These two began to bicker about medical techniques. In your opinion are herbs a better way to treat something or is normal medicine better. I do have a few other questions which I will list below.
Is it true that it is impossible for your body to build up immunity to herbs like it can with medicine?
I've heard that most medicines treat the symptom but not the cause, herbs work the opposite way. Is this true?
Is it more dangerous to use herbs or chemicals to treat something?
 
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Mars_eclipse said:
The other night I had two friends at the house for a gathering. One is an herbalist and the other is some sort of doctor, I'm not sure of his specific job title. However that is not important. These two began to bicker about medical techniques. In your opinion are herbs a better way to treat something or is normal medicine better. I do have a few other questions which I will list below.
Is it true that it is impossible for your body to build up immunity to herbs like it can with medicine?

I don't know of any magic plants. But some plants contain medically useful chemicals.

I've heard that most medicines treat the symptom but not the cause, herbs work the opposite way. Is this true?

It's rubbish.

Is it more dangerous to use herbs or chemicals to treat something?

Now you are contrasting chemicals with chemicals.
 
first of all, Mars, i think herbalists are a little goofy in general. their whole philosophy revolves around natural=good, synthetic=bad. and I'm not against herbal in general. i think if someone wants to use ephedra instead of ephedrine sulphate, that should be their right. but that mormon tea might not agree with some people because of the mix of chemicals in it.

some others, like say yohimbe, are definitely worse in herbal form. if you take yohimbine bark, you'll actually get a very "dirty" response with more nausea and anxiety symptoms than if you'd just taken yohimbine HCl. this is because yohimbe, like ephedra, contains a mix of alkoloids, making the receptors they target more broad and less specific.


as for doctors, they've got their faults as well. i don't think it's drugs themselves that treat symptoms-not-disease these days, it's the doctors themselves. i don't know if it's simply a lack of time, critical thinking, or too much hubris, but the problem is there.
 
Herbs are chemicals. You just do not know as well what chemicals are present. In a processed product the chemical content is very well known and held to strict standards. There are no standards among plants. The concentration of any specific chemical in the plants make up can vary from crop to crop and even plant to plant. There is a lot of variability, so if not knowing what you are taking is good then herbs are very good indeed.
 
Proton Soup said:
their whole philosophy revolves around natural=good, synthetic=bad.
Yeah, I have always found that philosophy rather silly too. After all, botulin toxin, poison ivy, anthrax, ebola, etc. are all natural too.
 
Are you familiar with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacognosy" ? This is an entire branch of pharmacy studying plants that have useful medicinal properties.
It is my understanding (from a botanical perspective), that herbal medicinals do contain many known pharmaceutically active compounds, but in lower concentration than their chemically synthesized counterparts.
In Chinese culture, their medicinal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_herbs" is widely practiced and has developed over many centuries. Some items, such as use of ginseng, date back a couple thousand years.
 
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