How to Determine the Mass of Iron in the Original Sample?

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem concerning the determination of the mass of iron in an unknown sample. Participants explore the principles of dilution and concentration to find the mass of iron present in a specified volume of solution, while clarifying the details of the problem and the necessary calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to convert concentration to molarity and then to grams, suggesting a method for solving the problem.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the concentration value, asking for the context of the measurement (e.g., dissolved substance, density).
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the details of the problem, specifically the relationship between the volumes mentioned (3 mL, 25 mL, and 1 L) and how they affect the calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that the concentration provided is for the 25 mL solution, prompting further inquiry into how much iron is present in that volume.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of including all relevant information in the original question to facilitate understanding and assistance.
  • Another participant reiterates the dilution aspect, asserting that the 3 mL is likely diluted in the 25 mL flask, which is crucial for solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the problem lacks clarity and that additional information is needed to proceed. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the volumes and concentrations involved, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include missing assumptions about the state of the sample (solid or dissolved), the density of the solution, and the exact volumes involved in the dilution process. These factors are crucial for accurately determining the mass of iron.

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Homework Statement


1.02 grams of an unknown sample, that contains iron and some other things. Amount of iron is unknown, other substances are unknown.

The concentration is 0.023 mg Fe/mL

The question says find the mass of Fe (in mg) in the 1.02 gram sample.

Exact question is:
"The unknown iron solution in the 25 mL volumetric flask was the result of pipeting 3.00 mL from the 1000.00 mL flask which originally contained the entire dissolved sample. Use principles of dilution and concentration to find the mass in milligrams of iron present in the 1.00 liter volumetric flask. This is the amount present in the original dry sample."

The concentration i gave was for the 25 mL

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I'm guessing i have to convert from the concentration, to molarity, and go to grams divide by molar mass, something like that. I think it will be something similar to that. I will update the attempt because its not really clear right now.
 
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AMan24 said:
The concentration is 0.023 mg Fe/mL
ml of what? Is the substance dissolved somewhere? If it is a solid, you still need the density or something similar you use that value.
 
mfb said:
ml of what? Is the substance dissolved somewhere? If it is a solid, you still need the density or something similar you use that value.
These are the exact directions. I seriously have no idea how to do this. We weren't taught this.

"The unknown iron solution in the 25 mL volumetric flask was the result of pipeting 3.00 mL from the 1000.00 mL flask which originally contained the entire dissolved sample. Use principles of dilution and concentration to find the mass in milligrams of iron present in the 1.00 liter volumetric flask. This is the amount present in the original dry sample."

The concentration i gave was for the 25 mL
 
Why didn't you include that part in the original version of the first post? The question does not make sense without that part.

AMan24 said:
The concentration i gave was for the 25 mL
If you have 25 ml of 0.023 mg Fe/ml, how much iron do you have in that 25 ml?
 
It sounds like he only has 3ml in the the flask that can hold 25ml.

Where did you get the concentration and 1.02grams from? It's not it the "exact question".

But if the concentration is correct then just multiply it with the ml of solution in the 1L flask. By the way you don't say how much solution there is in the 1L flask.

I don't think your teacher was giving you a trick question here but if you give us all the information in the question we can help you out.
 
MullaTheMech said:
It sounds like he only has 3ml in the the flask that can hold 25ml.
Where would be the point of the 25 ml thing then? There would also be no reason to take 3 ml, and the reference to dilution would not make sense.

I'm quite sure the 3 ml get diluted in the 25 ml flask.
 
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