High IQ & the Universe: Perceiving Patterns & Cycles

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between high IQ and the ability to perceive the universe, focusing on patterns and cycles of energy. Participants explore concepts of intelligence, cultural interpretations of divinity, and the implications of IQ testing, with a mix of personal insights and critiques.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that individuals with high IQs may perceive the universe differently, identifying patterns and cycles that others might miss.
  • Others challenge the notion that high IQ equates to a superior understanding of the universe, arguing that intelligence does not confer superiority over others or the universe itself.
  • One participant critiques the reasoning behind equating cultural attributes with universal truths, questioning the validity of such comparisons.
  • Another perspective posits that high intelligence may lead to greater awareness of one's own reasoning flaws, contrasting with the belief that one can explain everything definitively.
  • Concerns are raised about the biases inherent in IQ testing, particularly regarding cultural differences and the nature of intelligence itself.
  • A participant shares a personal anecdote suggesting that altered states of consciousness can influence perceptions of the universe.
  • There is a suggestion that intelligent individuals may construct arguments that reinforce their biases rather than approaching objective truth.

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Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the relationship between IQ and perception of the universe. Disagreements persist regarding the implications of intelligence, the validity of IQ tests, and the nature of cultural beliefs about divinity.

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Limitations include potential biases in IQ testing, the subjective nature of personal experiences, and the varying definitions of intelligence that are not captured by standard measures.

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If a person has a really high IQ, is a super-genius, doesn't it stand to reason that that person can perceive the universe for what it is more than an average person? i feel like i can see the universe for what it is...patterns...cycles...of energy. i can see what humans are...where they came from...where they going... from the cycles and patterns. there can't be a god ,because everything is equally unresponsible for its own existence. plus every culture has its own god...so its clearly just an attribute of a culture. hmmm...what else are people confused about? I'm sure i can explain anything. just got to be open-minded and perceptive.
 
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ouchparadoxhurts said:
If a person has a really high IQ, is a super-genius, doesn't it stand to reason that that person can perceive the universe for what it is more than an average person? i feel like i can see the universe for what it is...patterns...cycles...of energy. i can see what humans are...where they came from...where they going... from the cycles and patterns. there can't be a god ,because everything is equally unresponsible for its own existence. plus every culture has its own god...so its clearly just an attribute of a culture. hmmm...what else are people confused about? I'm sure i can explain anything. just got to be open-minded and perceptive.

Can you explain how you got to be such a self-promoting egotist?
 
I'm afraid high IQ people are smart enougn not to really talk about what their perception of the universe is.
 
I find it insulting to humanity and the universe (if possible to insult something like this) that you could sum up everything in such a short post of ellipses. You really claim to be able to see the universe "for what it is" based on being open minded?
 
ouchparadoxhurts said:
plus every culture has its own god...so its clearly just an attribute of a culture.
Every culture has another word for water, so clearly water is just an attribute of culture. There seems to be a flaw in ur reasoning...
 
In my experience, a more accurate formulation might be:

The more intelligent a person is, the more likely is he to notice fundamental flaws in his own reasoning, and less likely to think he can really explain anything at all to ultimate satisfaction. To think one has all the answers is therefore a sign of an unfortunate mix of low intelligence and high ego.
 
Isn't IQ biased? I mean if you give the standard IQ test to a tribal fellow from an African tribe...it would classify him "way below". However, he is able to survive through "tribal" areas on "his tribal" instincts.

I know IQ tests are biased...so I don't understand why people still base their intelligent on tests that are biased.

The IQ test involving patterns...I believe that it's "acquired". My opinion is that all patterns are acquired at some point even though current documentation says that it is not.
 
How can anyone compare someone's IQ to the entire god damn universe? You might end up being superior if you'll be completely elevated from us all, not subject to the same physical laws or being absolutely omnipotent and be able to, for example, live the life of every one of us as if it was your own (hard to imagine, but you get my point).

Just because one is smarter doesn't make him superior to anyone, and especially to the universe itself (and there can be no exceptions here).
 
ouchparadoxhurts said:
i feel like i can see the universe for what it is...patterns...cycles...of energy. i can see what humans are...where they came from...where they going... from the cycles and patterns
I once had such thoughts, but as it turns out I was just high on DXM.

*moves to close this thread*
 
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Components of intelligence
Component tests are generally designed and selected because they are found to be predictive of later intellectual development, such as educational achievement. IQ also correlates with job performance, socioeconomic advancement, and "social pathologies". Recent work has demonstrated links between IQ and health, longevity, and functional literacy. However, IQ tests do not measure all meanings of "intelligence", such as creativity. IQ scores are relative (like placement in a race), not absolute (like the measurement of a ruler).
 
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ouchparadoxhurts said:
If a person has a really high IQ, is a super-genius, doesn't it stand to reason that that person can perceive the universe for what it is more than an average person? i feel like i can see the universe for what it is...patterns...cycles...of energy. i can see what humans are...where they came from...where they going... from the cycles and patterns. there can't be a god ,because everything is equally unresponsible for its own existence. plus every culture has its own god...so its clearly just an attribute of a culture. hmmm...what else are people confused about? I'm sure i can explain anything. just got to be open-minded and perceptive.

More plausible explanations for your perceptions are mania or possibly early schizophrenia. Seek help.
 
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This obviously is going nowhere, but a rule of thumb I try to keep in mind is that very intelligent people are much better at constructing arguments to convince themselves of the truth of their own biases and delusions. That does not mean they are any closer to the truth.
 

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