Higher order diff.eq undetermined coefficient

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation (D² + 2D + 4)y = x²e²x using the method of undetermined coefficients. Participants explore various approaches to find a particular integral, considering the challenges posed by the right-hand side of the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about finding a particular integral for the equation, noting the complexity introduced by the product of x² and e²x.
  • Another participant suggests solving the equation for arbitrary integer m and constant C, proposing to use the power series representation of e²x to convert the right-hand side into a power series in x.
  • A different participant expresses a lack of familiarity with power series and requests alternative methods to the undetermined coefficients approach.
  • One suggestion involves guessing a particular solution that is proportional to e²x and substituting it into the original equation to derive a new differential equation for f(x).
  • Another participant mentions arriving at a specific form of the equation for f(x) and questions the existence of an inverse differential operator method.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of a previous calculation, asserting that the right side of the equation should be x² and emphasizes the use of learned methods to solve for f(x).
  • Another alternative method is proposed, involving multiplying the equation by e⁻²x and defining a new variable Y, leading to a transformed equation that may simplify the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and methods for addressing the problem, with no consensus reached on a single approach or solution. Disagreements arise regarding the correctness of specific calculations and the applicability of proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the methods discussed, particularly regarding the power series approach and the transformations applied to the original equation. There are also unresolved questions about the accuracy of calculations and the assumptions underlying different methods.

Raghav Gupta
Messages
1,010
Reaction score
76
What to do here if D=d/dx
(D2+2D+4)y= x2e2x ?
How to find particular integral by method of undetermined coefficient?
if R.H.S would have been x2+ e2x then we could have taken
yp= Ax2+ Bx+C + De2x
but here in product, what to do?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
There may be a better way to do this but: Suppose you can solve ## (D^2 + 2D + 4)y = Cx^m ## for an arbitrary integer ## m ## and constant ## C ##. Then expand the exponential on the right hand side of the real problem using the power series representation ##e^{2x} = \sum_0^\infty \frac{2^n x^n}{n!} ##. The right hand side of the real problem will become a power series in ## x ##. Since you know how to solve ## (D^2 + 2D + 4)y = Cx^m ## for arbitrary ## C ## and ## m ##, you can solve the equation for each separate term of the series. Then the full (particular) solution is the sum of the solutions for each separate power of ## x ##.
 
We have been not yet taught the power series. Any other method you know. Or apart from method of undetermined coefficients any other thing?
 
The term on the right side of the equation is proportional to e^{2x} so you should guess a particular solution that is proportional to e^{2x}. So let y_p = f(x)e^{2x} where f(x) is a undermentioned function. Plug this expression for y_p into the original differential equation. After applying the chain rule you'll be able to cancel at the factors of e^{2x}. This will leave you with a differential equation for f(x). You only need to find one solution, and you should be able to do so using the method of undetermined coefficients.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Geofleur
I'm arriving at f''(x)+4f'(x)+7f(x)=f(x)
Is there also a method of inverse differential operator?
 
You should double check your work. I get something different. For starters the right side of the equation should be x^2. Once you have an differential for f(x) you can solve it using what you have already learned. Remember that f(x) and y(x) are arbitrary symbols. You know how to solve an differential equation for y. The same methods are used to solve a differential equation for f.
 
An alternative - I multiply the equation through by e-2x.

Then set a new variable Y = e-2xy

Work out what Y' and Y" are.

I got (D2 - 9) Y = x2

I could have made a mistake, and if not it is not guaranteed beforehand or in other cases the LHS is quite so simple, but I think it is guaranteed you get the LHS still a 2nd order linear d.e. LHS in Y with constant coeffs and of course the RHS now of more well recognised type.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K