MHB Higher power constant coefficiants ODEs

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The discussion centers on solving the fourth-order ordinary differential equation y'''' - 3y' + 2y = 0 by finding the roots of its characteristic equation r^4 - 3r + 2 = 0. The initial approach involved guessing potential rational roots based on the Rational Roots Theorem, but only r=1 was confirmed as a root through synthetic division. The remaining cubic factor, r^3 + r^2 + r - 2, suggests there may be complex roots or additional real roots, as indicated by Descartes' Rule of Signs. Participants recommend using numerical methods or software like Mathematica for further root analysis, especially if exact solutions are not essential. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the Rational Roots Theorem and exploring various methods for root finding.
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Hi, I have the ODE y'''' - 3y' + 2y = 0

The characteristic equation is then $r^4 - 3r + 2 = 0$

So my 1st question, is there some easier way of finding the roots than long division?

I looked at the first and last terms to guess the roots (if real) might come from (r-1) , (r+1), (r+2), (r-2)

(r-1) divides into the CE with remainder $ r^3+r^2+r-2 $ but none of my other guessed terms divide into this exactly, so I am thinking the other roots must be complex ... so how would I go about finding the rest of the roots please?

[I did try multiplying out (r-1)(r+a)(r+b)(r+c) and comparing coefficients, but the eqtns I got were not independent so couldn't solve for a,b,c]
 
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There's always synthetic division. Also, I'm not sure you're using the Rational Roots Theorem properly. [EDIT] You were. See below for correction. Your rational root candidates would be factors of $1$ divided by factors of $2$. So you should test $\pm 1, \pm \dfrac12$. If you look at the coefficients, they sum to zero, indicating that $r=1$ is a root, or $r-1$ is a factor. Using synthetic division yields the factored form
$$(r-1)\left(r^3+r^2+r-2\right)=0.$$
I'm not sure you'll find any more rational roots. There's one more positive root (by Descarte's Rule of Signs). Replacing $r$ with $-r$ in the cubic yields $-r^3+r^2-r-2=0$, with two sign changes. So you either have two negative real roots, or no negative real roots (the latter would imply you have two complex conjugate roots). At this point, I'd probably go with Mathematica to get an exact answer, or you can simply go numerical if the exact answer is not critical.
 
Ackbach said:
...Also, I'm not sure you're using the Rational Roots Theorem properly...

He did it correctly...you want the integer factors of the trailing term in the numerator and the integer factors of the leading term in the denominator. :)
 

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