Hit the Monkey? Prove it with Algebra and Physics

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving projectile motion and the scenario of aiming at a monkey that drops from a branch as a tranquilizer dart is fired. Participants are tasked with proving whether the dart hits the monkey using algebra and physics concepts.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the projectile's motion and the monkey's fall, questioning the equations used to model vertical and horizontal distances. There are attempts to clarify the role of angles and initial velocities in the context of the problem.

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Some participants have provided algebraic expressions and reasoning to illustrate the motion of both the dart and the monkey. There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct interpretation of angles and the equations of motion, with some expressing confusion over specific algebraic manipulations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of needing to use algebraic methods to demonstrate the relationship between the projectile's trajectory and the monkey's vertical drop, while also addressing assumptions about angles and initial conditions.

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[SOLVED] Monkey Shoot

1. you aim in a direct line at a monkey hanging on a tree branch with a tranq gun. As soon as you fire, that instant, the monkey let's go. Do you hit the monkey? Prove your calculations through algebra and knowledge of physics



2. Money: D1-D0 = -1/2gt^2
Rifle: D1-D0 = (V0*sintetha)t-1/2*g*t^2




3. ok, I know that the projectile hits the monkey. Because the only force acting on the monkey and the projectile is the force of gravity. So, they both will have the same vertical distance drop. And thus, the projectile and monkey will be at the same location and cause the monkey to get hit. I managed to figure it out by physics, but can someone please explain this to me in an algebra way. Thanks.
 
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When you say the projectile hits the monkey, you're implying that the projectile and the mokey's vertical displacement is the same after a time t.

Your 2nd equation is not correct because it looks like you're modeling the vertical distance, but you included Vo which is a horizontal component (because you shoot at a straight horizontal line).
 
cryptoguy said:
When you say the projectile hits the monkey, you're implying that the projectile and the mokey's vertical displacement is the same after a time t.

Same at the time t if the dart takes time t to cross the initial horizontal distance.
 
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Oh and we have been given the varibles that range is D and height is H.

and I was given that formula...Vertical projectile Y-Distance is (V0SinTheath)t-1/2*g*t^2

so i need an algebra explanation with varibles(D-range,H-height the monkey starts out at, to prove this...Why the projectile stricks the monkey.

Can someone help please?

Here is a bad picture of what I am talking about:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8774/monkeytt8.jpg
 
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You need to find the time it takes the bullet to travel the horizontal range D. Do you know how to state the horizontal component of the bullet's initial velocity?
 
ok horizontal velocity its V0cos(theta)
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the formula is X-distance = (V0costetha)t

so t = d/(V0costetha)

Im getting these equations, i solved for time and other stuff, I pluged them into each other and everything... I was just running around in circles... at one point I got H = (V0sintetha)t. But, I don't know what it means.

And how is velocity related to this?
 
you aim in direct line, so your theta should be zero. Plug it in your equation in post #4.
 
Sourabh N said:
you aim in direct line, so your theta should be zero. Plug it in your equation in post #4.

The rifle is aimed in a direct line at the monkey. Theta is not zero.
 
but the monkey is elevated...a height of H. So how is the theta 0, can someone explain please?
 
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Theta is not zero, as has been pointed out in post #8.
 
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tan(theta) = H/D.

If the projectile (tranq dart) takes time t to traverse a horizontal distance of D, then the eqns of motion of the dart are:

D = vcos(theta)*t,
y = vsin(theta)*t – (1/2)gt^2. So,

y = vsin(theta)*D/[vcos(theta)] - (1/2)gt^2 =>
y = H - (1/2)gt^2. (Since, H/D = tan(theta).)

This shows that at time t, the dart has gone a horizontal distance of D and a vertical distance of H - (1/2)gt^2 from the ground.

But in time t, the monkey has fallen (1/2)gt^2, and its position is H - (1/2)gt^2 from the ground.

So, at time t, the dart and the monkey are at the same point.
 
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Shooting star said:
tan(theta) = H/D.

y = vsin(theta)*D/[vcos(theta)] - (1/2)gt^2 =>
y = H - (1/2)gt^2. (Since, H/D = tan(theta).)

Thanks for the explanation, but I am a little confused on how vsin(theta)*D/[vcos(theta)] = H? Because you got H - (1/2)gt^2 for the vertical height for both the monkey and the projectile.

EDIT: THANKS I got it! I just looked at it wrong. THANKYOU THANKYOU. I spent 2 days and couldn't prove it! thanks
 
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