HNMR of Acids: Carboxyl OH Proton Chemical Shifts

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The discussion revolves around the chemical shifts of carboxyl OH protons in various acids as observed in HNMR spectroscopy. Participants explore the relationship between acidity and chemical shifts, particularly focusing on acetic acid, benzoic acid, dichloroacetic acid, and trifluoroacetic acid. The conversation includes speculative reasoning about factors influencing these shifts, such as hydrogen bonding and deuterium exchange.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that carboxyl OH protons typically have chemical shifts around 10-12 ppm due to deshielding, suggesting that more acidic acids should have higher shifts.
  • One participant points out that acetic acid has a peak at approximately 11.5 ppm and benzoic acid at around 12 ppm, which aligns with their acidity levels.
  • Another participant questions why dichloroacetic acid shows a peak at 9.4 ppm despite its expected higher acidity due to electron-withdrawing fluorine atoms.
  • Speculation arises that hydrogen bonding might influence chemical shifts, particularly in non-polar aprotic solvents where acetic acid can form dimers.
  • There is a hypothesis that deuterium exchange between dichloroacetic acid and CDCl3 could lower the observed chemical shift of the acidic proton.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the lack of information on this topic and suggests that the deuterium exchange theory could be experimentally tested.
  • Another participant references data showing chemical shifts for acetic acid-d4 and trifluoroacetic acid-d, noting discrepancies that could indicate unusual behavior of difluoroacetic acid or potential issues with the data source.
  • Discussion includes acknowledgment that deuterium exchange in small molecules has been studied, although not specifically for the acids in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between acidity and chemical shifts, with some proposing explanations while others remain uncertain about the observed data. No consensus is reached on the reasons behind the chemical shifts of dichloroacetic acid.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in available data and the potential influence of solvent effects, such as hydrogen bonding and deuterium exchange, on chemical shifts. There are also references to the need for further experimental investigation to clarify these effects.

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Chemical shifts for carboxyl OH protons usually appear down around 10-12 because they are so deshielded. Deshielding is basically what causes acidity so shouldn't more acidic carboxylic acids have chemical shifts greater than 11? Acetic acid has a peak at around 11.5 ppm:
http://riodb01.ibase.aist.go.jp/sdbs/cgi-bin/cre_frame_disp.cgi?spectrum_type=hnmr&sdbsno=306
Benzoic acid has a peak at around 12 ppm which makes sense since the benzene ring delocalises the charge on the proton and increases its acidity. I can't find a HNMR spectrum for trifluoroacetic acid but here's one for dichloroacetic acid:
http://riodb01.ibase.aist.go.jp/sdbs/cgi-bin/cre_frame_disp.cgi?spectrum_type=hnmr&sdbsno=5238
it contains a peak at around 9.4 ppm. I don't get it. The fluorine atoms are strongly electron withdrawing which is why difluoroacetic acid is more acidic than acetic acid. Why does the peak appear at 9.4 ppm? The proton should be far more deshielded than acetic acid so I would have expected its peak to be higher than 11.5 ppm. What am I missing here?
 
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I don't know the answer, but here are some speculations. Perhaps hydrogen bonding will affect the chemical shifts. For example, in non-polar aprotic solvents, acetic acid forms a dimer in which the acidic hydrogen forms a hydrogen bond with the carbonyl oxygen of another molecule of acetic acid. I'm not sure if this would occur in CDCl3 or whether the effect would differ between difluoroacetic acid and acetic acid.

Here's another idea. Because CDCl3 contains an acidic deuteron, perhaps the protons are exchanging between the dichloroacetic acid and the solvent:

CHF2COOH + CDCl3 <--> CHF2COOD + CHCl3

If this exchange occurs at rate faster than the NMR timescale, this effect would tend to lower the observed chemical shift of the acidic proton toward the chemical shift of the chloroform proton. If the difluoroacetic acid participates in the exchange more readily than acetic acid, this could perhaps provide some explanation for your observation.
 
Thanks for the reply. I considered that hydrogen bonding may play a role but I didn't think about exchange between the deuterium and the acidic proton. That theory would explain the lack of direct proportionality between Ka and chemical shift. there's a serious lack of information about this on the internet, is this a relatively unresearched area or something? It would be very easy to put that deuterium exchange theory to the test. With a proper lab that is, if I =had an NMR spectrometer and the equipment and chemicals required, I'd setup an experiment myself.

EDIT: Then again, CDCl3 isn't very acidic (the pKa of chloroform is 25, I don't know what differences there are between hydrogen and deuterium acidity though) so I assume its deuterium would only be likely to exchange with an acidic proton of an acid when the acids conjugate base dedeuteriumates (I know that's not the right word, I'll say deneutroprotonate from now on to be more accurate lol) it. Since the strength of the acid is directly proportional to the stability of its conjugate base, the stronger the acid, the less likely its conjugate base is to deneutroprotonate CDCl3. Surely there have been experiments setup to investigate all this. It brings to question the fundamental principles upon which NMR spectroscopy is based.
 
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I find this curious.

Checking my handy Cambridge Isotope Labs NMR solvents data sheet (don't leave home without it! - actually, it's an electronic copy on my laptop), I see that the acidic proton chemical shifts (referenced to TMS) for acetic acid-d4 and trifluoroacetic acid-d are 11.65 ppm and 11.5 ppm, respectively. Either there is something unusual with difluoroacetic acid or there is something fluky about that database. Given that I know very little about difluoroacetic acid, but have had experience dealing with wonky data from that database in past research projects, I would not say that there is anything fundamentally wrong with NMR spectroscopy, at least not yet. ;)

Looking further at said solvents data sheet, I do see a significant change in the 13C carbonyl resonances for acetic acid and TFA - it's ~ 179 ppm for acetic acid and ~ 164 ppm for TFA. That seems to be reasonable enough.

People have been looking at deuterium exchange in small molecules and macromolecules via NMR for a while now. Perhaps not in detail for this particular set of molecules (I mostly do solids NMR of macromolecules nowadays, so I'm not overly familiar with the small molecule literature), but it's out there in the more general sense.
 

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