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The discussion revolves around the use of a 1.30 g cube of the radium isotope ^{223}{\rm Ra} to heat water for tea, focusing on the calculations related to alpha decay and energy transfer. Participants analyze the energy produced from radium decay, noting that the energy output is insufficient to heat the water in a practical timeframe, given the half-life of 11.43 days. They emphasize the need to calculate the number of decays per second using the decay constant and the number of nuclei present in the sample. The thermal energy required to heat the water is confirmed, but the energy output from the radium is deemed too low for effective heating. Overall, the calculations highlight the impracticality of using radium for this purpose due to its slow decay rate.
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Homework Statement


The radium isotope ^{223}{\rm Ra}, an alpha emitter, has a half-life of 11.43 days. You happen to have a 1.30 g cube of ^{223}{\rm Ra}, so you decide to use it to boil water for tea. You fill a well-insulated container with 340 mL of water at 16.0^\circ {\rm C} and drop in the cube of radium.


Homework Equations


Alpha Decay:
X (A, Z) yields Y (A-4, Z-2) + alpha + energy

Energy = K_alpha = (M_x - M_y - M_He)c^2

Nuclear Decay and Half-life
N = N_0 e ^(-r/t) = N_0 e ^(-t/T) = N_0 (1/2)^(t)/(t/2)
T = 1/r

Heat Transformation?
Q = E_th = McT

The Attempt at a Solution


I think is a heat transformation problem except I learned that 20+ chapters ago, last semester and need some advice.

Since it's alpha decayer Radium (223, 88) becomes Rodium (219, 86) + alpha + energy. Loses 2 protons and 2 neutrons.

E = (mass_Ra - mass_Rn - mass_He) * 931.5 MeV/u
E = (223.018499 u - 219.009477 u - 4.002602) * 931.5 MeV/u
E = 5.98 MeV

Change in T = T = 84 Kelvin or Celsius

Mass of Water = .998g/cm^3 * 340 mL * 1kg/1000g = .33592 kg

Q = E_th = McT = (.33592 kg)(4190 J/kg K)(84 K) = 118230.4032 J

Am I going about this the right way? This chapter is about radioactive decay and quantum physics. I can't seem to make the connection to alpha decay and heating water.
 
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Yes, I think you can assume that all the energy from the alpha particle is absorbed by the water and so it is then a simple thermodynamic (Q = m C T) problem.
 
Badger said:
Am I going about this the right way? This chapter is about radioactive decay and quantum physics. I can't seem to make the connection to alpha decay and heating water.

If you're doing A2 physics there will be a synoptic element creeping in this year. This means you will use knowledge from a range of physics subjects to solve problems.
 
This isn't working out. The energy output for the radium when calculated from MeV to Joules is
5.98023 MeV * (1*10^6 ev / 1 MeV ) * (1.602 *10^-19 J / eV) = 9.58*10^-13 J

The thermal energy required to heat the .335 kg of water in the problem is 1.18 * 10^5 J

The energy output from the radium is once every half-life: 11.43 days or 987552 sec. At this rate the water won't heat in a reasonable amount of time.
 
Badger said:
The energy output from the radium is once every half-life: 11.43 days or 987552 sec. At this rate the water won't heat in a reasonable amount of time.
Is it? What's special about 1.30 g that means it gives you one decay every half life?
 
Badger said:
This isn't working out. The energy output for the radium when calculated from MeV to Joules is
5.98023 MeV * (1*10^6 ev / 1 MeV ) * (1.602 *10^-19 J / eV) = 9.58*10^-13 J

The thermal energy required to heat the .335 kg of water in the problem is 1.18 * 10^5 J

The energy output from the radium is once every half-life: 11.43 days or 987552 sec. At this rate the water won't heat in a reasonable amount of time.

I think an equation you haven't invoked yet which will be of help is the activity equation A = (lambda)N , where lambda is the (absolute magnitude) of the decay constant and N is the number of nuclei of the isotope in the sample. The activity A will be the number of decays per second (or Becquerels). You can find the decay constant from the half-life of the isotope. You know the mass of the sample and the molar mass of the radium isotope, so you can find N. You can thus find the number of decays per second and hence the radioactive decay power (the assumption is that the interval you are interested in is brief compared to the half-life, so the power is essentially constant). As pointed out, you are also assuming that all this power goes into heating the water.

I believe 1.3 gm will more than suffice, though I'd personally refuse to drink the tea...
(returns after computing the power output) Definitely use a set of tongs to handle the radium cube. (Also use the heavy ceramic mugs...)
 
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Thanks again but I think the units are confusing me here.

lambda = r = 1 / T = ln 2 / t_(1/2) = 7.02*10^-7 [1/second]

N = 1.30 g 223^Ra * 1 mole / g * atom / 6.022*10^23 mole = 9.68^-27 atom.
1 atom has 1 nuclei ? so N is the same number nuclei as atoms?

A = rN = 9.68*10^-27 nuclei decay /s ?

A previous thing I did shows 9.58*10^-13 Joules per decay.

So A * that = 6.51*10^-45 Joules / s

Now according to Q_water = (.340 kg)(4190 J/kgK)(84K) = 118230 J

so time = 118230 J / 6.51*10^-45 J/s = 1.82 *10^49 s

still not right. are the units of N incorrect?
 
Badger said:
N = 1.30 g 223^Ra * 1 mole / g * atom / 6.022*10^23 mole = 9.68^-27 atom.
1 atom has 1 nuclei ? so N is the same number nuclei as atoms?

Wouldn't you multiply the number of moles by Avogadro's number?

N = (1.30 g 223^Ra / {223g/mole} ) x (6.022*10^23 nuclei/mole)
 
If you have the energy required to heat the water which i think is correct, and you have how much energy each decay produces then you can work out how many atoms need to decay to heat the water. You can work out N0 from the mass of a single radium atom and the mass of the block of radium, then N is simply the energy needed divided by the energy per atom decay.

You should be able to work out the rest. Activity isn't needed.
 
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to dynamic...
I think your right. but even then with the new number I still get a wrong answer.

to kurdt...
I recalculated everything and stored it as exacts... maybe I didn't follow you correctly.
Q = MCT = 119666.4 J {this is definitely correct}
K_alpha_decay = 9.58*10^-13 J {also correct, triple checked}

N = energy needed / energy per atom decay = Q / K

N0 = mass_single radium atom / mass_given radium
N0 = (223.02 u * 1.6605E-27 kg/u) / (1.30g * 1kg /1000g)
N0 = 2.85 * 10^-22

t(1/2) = 11.43 days = 987552 s

Then from the book I have 2 choices of equations:
N = N_0e^(-t/T)
where T = time constant = t_(1/2) / (ln2)

or less work...
N = N_0 (1/2)^(t/(t/2))

they both give the same answer though.

t = [(t_1/2) ln(N/N_0)] / ln 2 = 126767742.9 seconds
 
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Badger said:
N0 = mass_single radium atom / mass_given radium
N0 = (223.02 u * 1.6605E-27 kg/u) / (1.30g * 1kg /1000g)
N0 = 2.85 * 10^-22

Shouldn't this be just the reciprocal of what you have?

N0 = (0.0013 kg) / (3.70·10^-25 kg/atom)

To Kurdt: Perhaps the activity isn't needed, but it gets to the answer pretty directly.
 
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To dynamic,

By dimensional analysis so far:
N = Q / K = [Joules]/[Joules/decay] = 1.25*10^17 [nuclie decay]
N_0 = (.0013 kg) / (3.70*10^-25 kg/atom) = 3.51*10^21 [atom] = ?[nuclie decay]
t_(1/2) = 987552 [seconds]

N = N_0 (.5)^[t/(t_.5)]
ln (N/N_0) = t/t_.5 ln (.5)
t = [ln (N/N_0) / ln (.5) ] * t_.5
t = 14595934.25 [seconds]

still not right.
 
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Badger said:
N_0 = (.0013 kg) / (3.70*10^-25 kg/atom) = 3.51*10^21 [atom] = ?[nuclie decay]

It is exactly at this point that I proposed using the activity level of the sample in order to find the number of decays per second. Now that you have N_0, you can find the number of decays per second by multiplying that by the decay constant lambda. With the energy per decay, you can then find the rate of energy release (power) from the radium.

N = N_0 (.5)^[t/(t_.5)]
ln (N/N_0) = t/t_.5 ln (.5)
t = [ln (N/N_0) / ln (.5) ] * t_.5
t = 14595934.25 [seconds]

still not right.

How do this time have anything to do with the rate of heating of the water? You have to find the power being delivered from the radium sample. You know how much energy is required to heat the water to 100º C, so that energy divided by the heating power will give you the time sought in the problem.
 
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Badger said:
To dynamic,

By dimensional analysis so far:
N = Q / K = [Joules]/[Joules/decay] = 1.25*10^17 [nuclie decay]

Thats my fault sorry. I said that N was the value I highlighted in red. Of course that's how many nuclei need to decay and thus N will be N0 - 1.25x1017.

That gives a sensible answer.

My apologies anyway.
 
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