How about a SUV with 33mpg CITY.

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and efficiency of a sport utility vehicle (SUV) achieving 33 miles per gallon (mpg) in city driving conditions, with a focus on the use of diesel engines and hydraulic drive systems. Participants explore various aspects of vehicle design, efficiency, and technology related to this concept.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a well-designed diesel engine can exceed 33 mpg with careful driving.
  • Questions are raised about the efficiency of hydraulic drive systems compared to conventional drivetrains.
  • One participant describes the benefits of hydraulic systems for vehicles that frequently stop, highlighting regenerative braking and the potential for high energy recovery.
  • There is mention of using a diesel engine to maintain reservoir pressure in hydraulic systems, which could operate efficiently at a constant speed.
  • Discussion includes the possibility of using water as hydraulic fluid with appropriate materials and cooling.
  • References to previous discussions and articles are provided to support claims about hydraulic efficiency and vehicle design considerations.

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Participants express varying opinions on the efficiency of diesel engines and hydraulic systems, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific driving conditions and assumptions about technology efficiency, which are not universally agreed upon. The discussion references older articles and studies, which may not reflect current advancements in vehicle technology.

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Sure, there's nothing wrong with the concept. However, a well-designed Diesel will beat 33mpg any day with some slightly considerate driving.
 
I'm curious what the efficiency of the hydraulic drive system is compared to conventional drivetrains?
 
Virtually every vehicle which runs a route with frequent stops should have such a system, they use regenerative braking. To brake the motors become a pump and recharge the reservoir. They can get about 80% of the vehicles kinetic energy back into the reservoir.

They use a diesel to maintain reservoir pressure, since it is a constant known load they can run it at constant speed at the efficiency sweet spot.

The hydraulic motors have max torque at start up, so once again it makes good sense to use these for stop and go driving.

With proper choice of materials and cooling there is no reason you could not use water as the hydraulic fluid.

Note that this is a pretty old article, the payback time was computed using $1.50 a galleon gas.
 
This subject was discussed at this forum. See second last post:
http://forums.hydraulicspneumatics.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8541063911/m/4241052961
Hydraulics could be good if you make frequent stops.
http://forums.hydraulicspneumatics.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8541063911/m/4721036991
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_38/b4001082.htm
As for efficiency it is explained here. He’s using gear pumps but piston are only about 10% better.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com...Next+Challenge+For+the+Maintenance+Department
 
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