How are elements produced in stars after iron?

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The discussion centers on the production of elements heavier than iron in stars, particularly focusing on the processes that occur during stellar collapse and subsequent events. It encompasses theoretical aspects of nucleosynthesis, including the mechanisms involved in forming elements like cobalt, gold, and silver.

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  • Some participants note that elements are formed in the cores of stars where fusion occurs, but question how elements heavier than iron are produced after the core collapses.
  • One participant explains that during the core collapse, the outer layers rebound, creating conditions of high temperature, pressure, and density that enable fusion of elements heavier than iron, although this process absorbs energy rather than releasing it.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the synthesis of elements heavier than iron is endothermic and relies on energy supplied by shock waves during core detonation, with neutrinos playing a role that is not fully understood.
  • It is mentioned that some stars exhibit spectral lines of technetium, indicating that this element, which is heavier than iron, is produced in stars that have not yet exploded.
  • Participants discuss the s-process, or slow neutron capture process, where neutrons are captured in stars to build heavier isotopes, which then undergo beta decay to form new elements.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the processes involved in the formation of elements heavier than iron, with no consensus reached on the specifics of these processes or the roles of different mechanisms.

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The discussion includes complex interactions and dependencies on conditions such as temperature and density, as well as the roles of different nuclear processes, which remain partially unresolved.

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we know that elements are formed in the core of stars where fusion occurs.

The stars collapse on the formation of iron, if it so how come element after iron like cobalt, gold, silver were produced...?
 
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As the core collapses, the outer layers of the star fall as well. Once the core reaches sufficient density for neutron-neutron repulsion to hold it up, it stops collapsing and the outer layers of the star rebound off of the surface. During this rebound, the temperature, pressure, and density reach a level high enough to cause fusion to occur, building up elements higher than iron/nickel. Note that this fusion process does NOT release energy. Instead it takes energy, as the heavier elements have less binding energy per nucleon than either iron or nickel.

There is also a large burst of neutrons released, some of which are then captured by the nuclei. Beta decay can then turn some of the neutrons into protons and result in an element with more protons than it had before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova_nucleosynthesis
 
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Technically, the process of synthesizing elements heavier than iron/nickel is endothermic, as opposed to exothermic, meaning less energy is released than absorbed. You are, however, correct in noting this extra energy is mainly supplied by the shock wave in a core detonation event. Neutrinos contribute to this process in ways not yet fully understood.
 
Drakkith said:
During this rebound, the temperature, pressure, and density reach a level high enough to cause fusion to occur, building up elements higher than iron/nickel.

A number of stars have spectral lines of technetium. Technetium is heavier than iron, and is short lived (up to 4 million years) so it could not have been in the stars before, nor have these stars exploded yet.
 
snorkack said:
A number of stars have spectral lines of technetium. Technetium is heavier than iron, and is short lived (up to 4 million years) so it could not have been in the stars before, nor have these stars exploded yet.

There is also the s-process, known as slow neutron capture, that takes place in stars. Neutrons produced in the star are captured, building up heavier isotopes of elements until they reach the point that beta decay turns them into the next element by converting a neutron into a proton. Also, see the following link for a paper about the production of technetium.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v337/n6209/pdf/337718a0.pdf
 
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