How Are Images of Gravity Dips in Space Created Without a Sense of Direction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of gravity dips in space, particularly how images depicting these phenomena are created despite the absence of a defined direction in space. Participants explore the implications of these representations in the context of general relativity and the geometry of spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the accuracy of pop-science depictions of gravity dips, suggesting they oversimplify complex concepts and do not convey actual scientific understanding.
  • There is a discussion about the use of 2D models to illustrate curved spacetime, with some arguing that such models can misrepresent the nature of gravity and spacetime geometry.
  • One participant asserts that spacetime does not warp in the way commonly depicted and emphasizes the importance of using Riemann geometry to describe gravitational effects accurately.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of geodesics, explaining that objects follow straight paths in curved spacetime, which contrasts with the notion of gravity as a force.
  • There is a debate about the representation of gravitational lensing, with some participants asserting it exemplifies the differences between Newtonian gravity and general relativity.
  • Some participants express the need for more accurate visual representations of how massive objects affect spacetime and the movement of other objects within that geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the accuracy of common representations of gravity dips and the nature of gravity itself. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of spacetime geometry and the implications for understanding gravitational phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the common visual models used to explain gravity and spacetime, noting that these models may not adequately convey the complexities of general relativity and the geometry involved.

  • #31
I think of it as a dimple in space but that's wrong too. It is probably impossible to visualize gravity as a curvature in space-time. The general theory is a consequence of the absolute differential calculus of Levi - Civita. this mathematics allows scientists to use relativity without the brains limited experiences and perceptions to "visualize" it.
 
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  • #32
ItchyFungus said:
Now what I imagine on why there is a pull between atoms, molecules, and objects is because everything is vibrating.
Gravity always attracts, whereas electric and magnetic forces may either attract or repel. A theory of force fields would need to explain that.
 
  • #33
ItchyFungus said:
Will you say this video is a pretty well explanation of geodesics as you previously explained?



I understand why they use Riemann geometry because there is no mass in space as oppose to planet or star, so it makes sense why they use two different types of geometry to figure it out.


this video seems to me like ray of light traveling across mountain and making some spring
 
  • #34
first of all let's talk in fundamental terms
mass is a quantity of matter present inside body.
everything is just made up of matter and matter has some quantity.
That quantity of matter presented inside our body is mass attracted by force
what is that force?
it is gravity
that is called weight
gravity is a force that attracts other bodies due to mass .

if matter is more,more mass,more weight,more gravity.in this sense i can say mass,weight,matter,gravity are directly proportional to each other.question on gravity does weight depends on gravity?
yes weight depends upon gravity and gravity is particular force only called force of gravity
 
  • #35
sukalp said:
this video seems to me like ray of light traveling across mountain and making some spring
I don't know what geometry you are thinking of but there is zero possibility that the curves shown could be "ray of light traveling across a mountain"
 
  • #36
ItchyFungus said:
Will you say this video is a pretty well explanation of geodesics as you previously explained?



Check out the this link for a clearer explanation of how those geodesics relate to gravity:

http://www.relativitet.se/spacetime1.html
 
  • #37
ItchyFungus said:
For the 2d images, perhaps they can tell us it's a shorthand, but then show us an actual 3d image and explain how "Riemann geometry" works.
The 3D model could incorporate time as one of the dimensions. Unlike space, you are unavoidably moving through time no matter what. Also, a spacetime interval is the same in all reference frames.
 
  • #38
Closed pending moderation

Edit: some speculative posts have been deleted and the thread is closed.
 
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