How are topological spaces applied in the realm of physics?

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The discussion revolves around the application of topological spaces in physics, exploring both theoretical and practical implications. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with topology and its relevance to physical concepts, including black hole theory and Hilbert spaces.

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  • Some participants question the extent to which topology is applied in physics, suggesting that the field is still developing.
  • One participant notes that Hilbert spaces, which are fundamental in physics, are topological vector spaces.
  • Another participant mentions that topology provides a framework for discussing continuity and comparing properties of spaces, raising a question about the topological relationship between Euclidean space and spacetime.
  • There are references to the application of point set topology in black hole theory, with some participants expressing skepticism about the depth of this work.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the simplicity of certain explanations related to black holes and the need for more complex topological considerations in describing spacetime.
  • Participants discuss the difference in meaning between "topology" in a mathematical context versus its use in physics.
  • Some participants share links to external resources and searches related to topological spaces in physics, indicating a desire for further exploration of the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the applications of topological spaces in physics. There are competing views on the significance and complexity of these applications, particularly in relation to black hole theory.

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Some discussions highlight limitations in understanding and definitions, particularly regarding the relationship between mathematical topology and its physical applications. There are unresolved questions about the depth of existing research in the area.

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Josh0768 said:
How are topological spaces used in physics?
What do you know about topological spaces? And what do you know about physics?
 
martinbn said:
What do you know about topological spaces? And what do you know about physics?
Quantitatively and conceptually, I know about as much as first year physics student physics-wise. Regarding topology, I hardly even know what it means.
 
Josh0768 said:
Quantitatively and conceptually, I know about as much as first year physics student physics-wise. Regarding topology, I hardly even know what it means.
Topology in its basics plays an important role in physics, simply because Hilbert spaces where physics mostly takes place are topological vector spaces.
 
Topology is/provides, among other things, a framework to talk about continuity , and a way of compare properties of spaces. EDIT: You may want to consider whether standard Euclidean space, aka ##\mathbb R^4 ## is topologically the same as Space -Time 4-space. It is not, but maybe , e.g., @Orodruin can shed some more light on that.
 
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jedishrfu said:
there's been some work in applying point set topology to black hole theory.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/Numbers/Math/Mathematical_Thinking/blackhl.htm
Didn't convince me. A bit too simple and 3D for my taste, and partly wrong.
If it [EH] attaches to the exterior, then the known universe is topologically a closed set with respect to the black hole. If it [EH] attaches to the interior, then the known universe is topologically an open set.
It would only locally be closed or open. Additionally, the EH is hardly a real life hyperspace.
 
jedishrfu said:
there's been some work in applying point set topology to black hole theory.

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/Numbers/Math/Mathematical_Thinking/blackhl.htm
Is that it? I would hardly call it work applying point set topology to black holes. All it says is that the outside of the EH is an open set, if you include the boundary it is a closed set. Same for the interior. That is trivial. Even the definition of a manifold to describe any spacetime (black hole or not) needs more topology than that.
 
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A Google image search sometimes gives interesting places to look,

https://www.google.com/search?safe=...-wiz-img...0..35i39j0i5i30j0i8i30.BvsKh6bY2B4
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https://room.eu.com/news/results-of-this-years-nobel-prize-in-physics-is-released
Edit, the Google search should have been for "topological spaces" but the search "topology in physics" might be of interest as well.
 
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Spinnor said:
Edit, the Google search should have been for "topological spaces" but the search "topology in physics" might be of interest as well.
Yes, but in this physical context "topology" means something else than the mathematical term.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes, but in this physical context "topology" means something else than the mathematical term.

My mistake. A Google search for the exact quote "topological spaces in physics" turns up one search item,

http://www.hep.caltech.edu/~fcp/math/HilbertSpace/HilbertSpace.pdf
A Google search "topological space on the arxiv preprint server" also turns up little but it did turn up this, "Theorists bridge space-time rips"

https://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/...mns/topLeftColumn/pdf/491019a.pdf?origin=ppub

in which the term topological space appears.
 

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