How can a 2D plane and 3D space accurately represent all colors?

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The discussion revolves around the dimensionality required to represent all colors, exploring various color models and their representations in 2D and 3D spaces. Participants examine the limitations and effectiveness of different approaches, including the RGB model, the hue-saturation-intensity model, and the CYMB system.

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  • Some participants propose that all perceived colors can be represented in two dimensions using the Color Triangle, while others question this assertion.
  • Several contributions explain that the human eye perceives colors in three dimensions due to the three types of color receptors sensitive to red, green, and blue.
  • Participants discuss the RGB color model, which represents colors as a cube, and the hue-saturation-intensity model, which is depicted as a double pointed cone.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the representation of black and white in the Color Triangle, with some participants noting that it may only specify hue and saturation without addressing brightness.
  • Questions arise about the CYMB color system, with participants debating whether it is a pseudo 4D system or a true 3D system.
  • One participant inquires about interactive programs for visualizing color combinations in 3D space.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the dimensionality needed to represent all colors, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness of the Color Triangle or the CYMB system.

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Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of how brightness and intensity are represented in the Color Triangle and the varying interpretations of the CYMB system.

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How many dimensions are necessary for repsent ALL colors? 3, 4, more!?

What are the better ways for represent all colors inside 2D plane and 3D space.

I already tried so much combination, but, a think that never it's 100% good.
 

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Bruno Tolentino said:
How many dimensions are necessary for repsent ALL colors? 3, 4, more!?

What are the better ways for represent all colors inside 2D plane and 3D space.

I already tried so much combination, but, a think that never it's 100% good.
I think all the perceived colours, every hue and every saturation, can be represented in two dimensions on the Colour Triangle (yet another Maxwell discovery). It is the basis of colour TV.
 
Because the human eye has three different kinds of color receptors, specifically sensitive to light in the frequency ranges of red, green, and blue, we perceive light as a three dimensional property. Some color models directly use "RGB", representing a cube with intensity of red along one edge, intensity of blue along the other, and intensity of green along the third. There is also the "hue, saturation, and intensity" representation, first used in computer monitors by, I think, Tektronix, which represents colors on a double pointed cone with "hue" around the circle, intensity outward from the axis, and saturation along the axis. It is a double pointed cone because all colors become "black" as saturation goes to 0 and "white" as saturation goes to 100%.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Because the human eye has three different kinds of color receptors, specifically sensitive to light in the frequency ranges of red, green, and blue, we perceive light as a three dimensional property. Some color models directly use "RGB", representing a cube with intensity of red along one edge, intensity of blue along the other, and intensity of green along the third. There is also the "hue, saturation, and intensity" representation, first used in computer monitors by, I think, Tektronix, which represents colors on a double pointed cone with "hue" around the circle, saturation outward from the axis, and saturation along the axis. It is a double pointed cone because all colors become "black" as saturation goes to 0 and "white" as saturation goes to 100%.
Unsure why a 2-dimensional diagram such as the colour triangle (which has RGB at its corners and white in the middle) cannot represent all perceived colours?
 
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Unsure why a 2-dimensional diagram such as the colour triangle (which has RGB at its corners and white in the middle) cannot represent all perceived colours?
You say "white n the middle" so I think you are having the intensity (also called "brightness") increasing toward the center. So where is black?
 
HallsofIvy said:
You say "white n the middle" so I think you are having the intensity (also called "brightness") increasing toward the center. So where is black?
Yes, I see your point. TV uses a separate luminance (Y) signal, so the colour triangle specifies only hue and saturation.
 
But and about the CYMB system!? Is a pseudo 4D system!? Is, actually, a 3D system or not!?
 
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But and about the CYMB system!? Is a pseudo 4D system!? Is, actually, a 3D system or not!?
If we are creating colors by combining lights of different colors ("additive combination" as when we are shining light on our monitor screen) then our "basis" is Red, Blue, Green because, as I said, our eyes have optic nerves that are particularly sensitive to those three colors. If, instead, we are creating colors by shining white light through different filters (so that we are "subtracting" light as when we are putting ink on a paper) then our "basis" is the complementary colors Cyan (between green and blue), Magenta (between red and blue), and yellow (between red and green). Black isn't really necessary. It is added to the colored inks, first because the great majority of printing is NOT in color and just using black ink is cheaper and second because when used with colored inks in color pictures, it makes the contrast with the white paper better.
 
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Exist some program (interactive program, preferably) for vizualize the combinations between colors in the 3D space?
 

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