How can a solution's boiling point decrease during distillation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the observation of a constant boiling point of 32°C during the distillation of a mixture of 2-methyl-2-butene and 2-methyl-1-butene in a dilute sulfuric acid solution. Participants explore the implications of this observation, questioning how the boiling point could be lower than the boiling points of the individual components and considering the effects of azeotropes and chemical reactions during the process.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the boiling point of the distillate was a constant 32°C, which is lower than the boiling points of both alkenes, prompting questions about the nature of the solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the formation of an azeotrope could explain the observed boiling point, recommending further research on azeotropes.
  • A later reply discusses the behavior of binary solutions and the possibility of type II and type III solutions, indicating that a type II azeotrope could lead to a boiling point lower than that of the individual components.
  • One participant questions whether the boiling point measurement pertains to the residue or the distillate and raises the importance of mole fractions in understanding the boiling point behavior.
  • Another participant clarifies that the purpose of the lab was to dehydrate 2-methyl-2-butanol, suggesting that the reaction occurring during distillation complicates the analysis.
  • Some participants speculate that the presence of sulfuric acid and water could influence the boiling point, with one suggesting that the temperature might eventually rise after the organic products are distilled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the nature of the boiling point observed, with some proposing that it could be due to azeotrope formation while others suggest that chemical reactions during distillation may be influencing the results. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the explanation for the constant boiling point.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the system, particularly with the involvement of sulfuric acid and the potential for chemical reactions, which may affect the boiling point measurements. There is also uncertainty regarding the specific composition of the distillate and residue.

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I just finished a lab where I distilled a mixture of 2-methyl-2-butene and 2-methyl-1-butene in a dilute solution of sulfuric acid. The boiling points of the compounds respectively are 38.57C and 31.6C.

The bp range ended up being a constant 32C. How is this possible?

Shouldn't it be higher than either of the alkene bps?

What could cause the boiling point of a solution to decrease?
 
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They have formed an azeotrope. Google 'azeotrope'.
 
louise82 said:
I just finished a lab where I distilled a mixture of 2-methyl-2-butene and 2-methyl-1-butene in a dilute solution of sulfuric acid. The boiling points of the compounds respectively are 38.57C and 31.6C.

The bp range ended up being a constant 32C. How is this possible?

Shouldn't it be higher than either of the alkene bp?

What ended up with a boiling point of 32 C, the residue (alkenes and sulphuric acid) or the distillate (alkenes only)? What were the mole fractions of the alkenes?

The boiling point of a binary solution changes with composition. For type I solutions, the bp changes monotonically with composition; for type II there is a minimum bp (at constant pressure) at some composition; for type III there is a maximum.
Types II and III can form azeotropes, i.e. mixtures such that the composition of the liquid and the vapour at the boiling point is the same. For type II solutions, the residue ends up to be one of the pure components and the distillate has the composition corresponding to the minimum bp, which is less than the bp of either of the two components. For type III solutions, the residues tend twoard the maximum boiling mixture while the distillates tend toward the pure constituents, and the constant boiling point is higher than that of each
of the pure components.

If you are talking about a binary solution only (i.e. without the sulphuric acid), then either you have a type II azeotrope and your measurement of the constant boiling temperature is wrong (i.e. not accurate enough, because it should lie below 31.16 C) or something else is going on.

Not knowing exactly what you did, I can only speculate: perhaps there is a chemical reaction converting one alkene to the other. (Sulphuric acid can add to the double bond.) Or, if you are talking about the boiling point of the mixture including the sulphuric acid, then you would have a ternary system, which is more complicated.
 
The the purpose of the lab was to dehydrate 2-methyl-2-butanol with H2SO4 and heat. The reaction was taking place as the distillation was occurring.

From what the grad student in the lab told me, I was to watch the temp and stop the distillation when there was a sharp rise. It stayed at a constant 32 the whole time.


So this is a ternary system?
 
32 is not much different than 31.6 y'know.
 
louise82 said:
The the purpose of the lab was to dehydrate 2-methyl-2-butanol with H2SO4 and heat. The reaction was taking place as the distillation was occurring.

From what the grad student in the lab told me, I was to watch the temp and stop the distillation when there was a sharp rise. It stayed at a constant 32 the whole time.


So this is a ternary system?

In the light of this information, you can ignore most of what I said in my previous post about binary and ternary mixtures: I thought you were distilling a mixture of these alkenes but I see now that you are synthesizing them. I have no explanation for the constant boiling temperature of 32 C except to say that maybe you didn't wait long enough. After all, there is water and sulphuric acid in your reaction flask (if your preparation method was similar to that in the attachment), so that eventually the temperature must rise after the organic products have come over. Did you analyse the products (alkenes) to see what did happen?
 

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